RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by imran patel on Nov 26, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
If Hindus had shown "Maturity" , there would not have been any discussion on MF Hussains right to express himself. I being a Muslim do not agree with what he did.
As far as painting Muhammad (PBUH) nude, there is no place or mosque where Muhammad is depicted in such a fashion. Whereas the temples in India are littered with images of nude God and Goddess. (There are imgaes of men having intercourse with Cows).
My point is that in Islam we do not support this kind of Art. If Hinduism is against it as well, then you have a RIGHT to oppose the paintings of MF Hussain as long as you use tools that do not break the LAW.
Same applies to Muslims. I am all for Muslims protesting their displeasure. But I cannot stand with them when they use violence to demonstrate their displeasure.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by manmadhan on Nov 27, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
Hi Imran .. you might not have got a chance to visit to a temple... but let me tell you the nude figures on the temple or not of god or godesses, they represent common man and woman.
Look at your first and last paragraphs. You say Hindus haven't shown maturity since they are having "discussions" on MF Hussians paintings... but if muslims were protesting thier displeasure(Non violent) it is ok with you.... how hyprocite are you?
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by ACM on Nov 27, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
How can you say that gods and godesses are in intercourse? Have you checked that they could be just depictions by some artist - which Hinduism was free enough to allow to be portraied - possibly inspite of some objections even in that age/era? Why is that not the case with Islam? You need to question your own convictions my friend and that that is the biggest problem with muslims! The strenght of your convictions ensures that we all suffer - which is the root cause of a lot of tragedy in the world.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by ACM on Nov 27, 2007 01:46 AM Permalink
People tend to hold hard to their convictions on religion when they feel challenged. It's an automatic response because it feels like a challenge to their self identity. It's important to recognize that faith should not be confused with self identity. It's more like there are other religions out there and I happen to know this religion better so I follow it. It's difficult lesson to teach to most any followers of any religion but worst in the case of Islam because. 1. The amount of security Islam guarantees inside its fold 2. The scare Islam spreads outside if one tries to step out or promote the non Islamic world. It's best described by the term chakravuha - by the way I do not wish to use this term to promote Hindu viewpoints. Hindu fanatics - go hang - along with your Muslim/Christian/Sikh/Jewish counterparts.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by ashish sinha on Nov 27, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
Nice ! If Hindu temples depict images of nude goddess, its okay to draw nude pictures. Nice !
hence by the same measure, if Muhammad could have sex with 9 yr old, its okay to call for reforms for women and amendments in Qoran.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by Mohammed AliSherKhan on Nov 27, 2007 12:00 AM Permalink
Mr. Sinha- you have got your basics wrong. Islam is more powerful and stronger than Hindoo and Christ- so Moslems can feel free to abuse, ridicule and torture infidels with impunity, but no one can question anything in Islam. If any one does so he/she will be punished. No one can eradicate Islam- Islam shal rule all.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by Vasanth Srinivas on Nov 27, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Yes. We can see your unity and strength in IRAQ, IRAN, Porkistan.
RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by imran patel on Nov 27, 2007 12:11 AM Permalink
You have got it wrong.
Muslims believe that Islam is the last message of God to mainkind through his messenger, Muhammad.
The message of God cannot be changed, i.e. the Quran. But interpretation of those message is open to debate and scrutiny. That is the Islamic point of view.
What has happened today (Mainly due to ignorance and lack of education on part of the Muslims), is we have implied that the Interpretations of those revelations from Allah are not subject to scrutiny.
My Hindu brothers seem to take that view as the Islamic view. There is a difference between those two things.
In brief, As a Muslim I cannot change/alter the Quran as I believe it to be the final word of God. But I must always challenge my interpretation of those revelation.
RE:RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by ACM on Nov 27, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
At this point - you're lying to yourself (again in complete conviction). How can you claim that Quran is perfect while interpretation is not. That is an oxymoron. It effectively means that depending you how you interpret it it's perfect or imperfect which means that it's left to the reader to determine perfectness which means that it's imperfect by design.
RE:RE:RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by imran patel on Nov 27, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
It is my belief that the Quran is the word of God. You do not have to share that Belief. I am not saying that it is SCIENCE. I am saying it is my belief.
The Quran is NOT a cindrella story. It is in Arabic. So I have to look at translations. I have to look at the context under which that paragraph was revealed. Based on this I have to make my interpretations. Are my interpretations going to be perfect ? No. That is why I am saying that Muslims should always challange their interpretation of the Quran.
In the Mahabharat, Sri Krishna tells Arjun to pick up his weapons and fight his own cousins. When he refuses, Sri Krishna says that Arjuns like will be a WASTE. Now does that mean all Hindus need to fight their cousins ? NO. We need interpretation based on context and situation. We do not change the Mahabharat, but we try to challenge our interpretation of that event based on the context. and if we put in context, it makes sense. we realize that it was a fight between good and evil and the lesson was, if we have to fight evil, we should no matter who we have to fight. Always be on the side of Good.
So why can we all not be a bit more alert of context when it comes to Islam ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:question to all my Muslim brothers
by ACM on Nov 27, 2007 03:02 AM Permalink
Again - you're indulging in comparitive religion which I'll ignore. You believe strongly that Quran is the word of God and that it's perfect. That is my problem. I'm saying that no book is perfect - the Gita or the Quran or the Bible - to the word since they all need interpretation. If they were perfect, why were we all not born with all that knowledge prebuilt. Why are we having all this difference of opinions. Was Allah or Vishnu or God or Shiva fooling around with us all by not imbibing all these commandments directly into us? Think about it. Isn't this dischord the single biggest problem in the whole wide world. Think of the amount of progress all mankind could have made if it were not for this single discord. I have a problem with some aspects all religions although I'm not an atheist nor a communist nor even an anti-religious person. I have big problems with Islam because of reasons mentioned in a posting above. These 2 factors are not unique to Islam but are stronger and more prevelent to it. But an Islamist (both muslim and non muslim) will point to other religions and say there are questionable beliefs there as well but the point is about the enormity of the threat.
