The Pakistan's whole history was not to exists as a separate entity but to prove that it's existence was better than India...
Primary reason for Muslims to break away from Hindu India was fear of being a minority and at the same time less freedom of religious expression which both were wrong..
Infact its this mentality to have religion above country pulled Pakistan to its current level..
Most of the moderate Muslims believe Islam is a religion of Peace and this is OK if they live amongst Muslims. But the moment the Muslim world tries to interact with other non-muslim world that's where their definition of Prosparity and Peace starts getting into trouble..
Other religions have lesser grip over day to day lives of people. Hence there is window of opportunity to experiment and evolve..
In a muslim world the grip of the religion is so tight that it takes more time for the people to evolve let alone experiment.. Even the most evolved Muslim society, Turkey is not immune to this..
Right from Saudi to Somalia this pattern is very noticable... But the exception to the rule is Muslims in India.. I think they are gonna be the ambassadors of evolution to the other Muslims parts of the world...
I wish one day that M&M (Moderate muslims) evolve much beyond their Sharia based mind and really experiment what's really out there in nature. If they give sufficient room for their kids to evlove then there is no stopping of a prosporous India. It's already happening..
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by vinamra singhai on Nov 14, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
very beautiful...now I have a more rational approach of the problems of muslims communities around the world
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by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
Great comments Sirji I%u2019m one of the Moderate muslims infact I don%u2019t belive in any of the religons as all are illogical and big scams to exploit people. My religion is humanity and I write against anyone who does injustice to the common man who is striving hard to make ends meet.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by arjun on Nov 15, 2007 04:44 AM Permalink
I agree that islam is undergoing change-but killing people in the name of religion is islams greatest sin.People in this forum may dispute the statement but for every blast by nonmuslims-there are 20 blasts done by muslims to kill people-there are so called scholars who come to this forum to equally put RSS and Jihad groups on same pedestal-but they need to think that even survival is hard if RSS wants to spread terror.But thats not the case.All those people who point fingers at Indian secularism have to look at world map and show one islamic country that is secular (barring turkey) and if they can show one more-even then they must look at other european and indian societies to see the difference.To ignore this huge difference is blindness and those people deserve no respect even as human beings.Today pakistan is considered the most dangerous country on globe-is that a slap on those muslims who thought islam is greater than indian tradition of securalism ?????Well- wait to watch the final debacle.Instead of selfrealisation-these muslims point fingers at everycountry from USA to India as enemies.They do not have basic discipline to vote a assembly member-but they want democracy??????Funny.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by arkit on Nov 14, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
if ur religion is humanity then support Bush. He took action against Taliban. The same taliban hijacked Indian plane and took to Kandahar where innocent Indian was killed. Saddam's two son used to rape beautiful girls and next to throw them in a keema machine. Why does Iran need nuclear weapons. If they get it they will use it against India. Let us strenghen Bushes hand. He is the one giving nuclear deal to India
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 10:31 PM Permalink
Dear Arkit u must be joking Bush does not stand for humanity. Do u realize how many people he has killed in iraq for oil. Bush lied to the whole world that Iraq had WMD but where were they?? Bush went to iraq for oil and for forming a base in Middle east. There is a great documentary I forgot which got released in US 2 years back u should see that u will realize what is Bush. U know how many Iraqi children and women have been raped by the us military. Dude don%u2019t just go by the media and say US is fighting a war on terror. US is the prime reason for terror to start.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by arkit on Nov 14, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
US only kicks out terrorists and I am against them. So I live here. Millions of muslims also live here with self dignity. See if u can convince them to leave this place. The also follow uniform civil code. Only in India there is separate marriage law for u guys. Let Bush prevent Iran from becoming nuclear. Remember India was under british for 200 years whereas for 400 years they were under muslim rule making no progress. India and US r natural allies in the field of education, democracy, etc. Let these two countries come together against terrorism.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by arkit on Nov 14, 2007 10:53 PM Permalink
U can cook a sweet story in ur dream. I live in USA and have seen protest against Iraq war. That is called real democracy. Can the same thing happen in a rogue countries against their ruler? No never, they will chop them. Can u support those talibans? You know what they did with Indians. Can u justify Saddam's sons. They were real rapists. I talked to a number of Iraqi's in person here and know the story. Millions of muslims living in US with pride. They donot have any complain and they donot want to leave this country because of the freedom they enjoy here. Do not make up ur world in illusion. What power US has today if they same power these rogue countries would have have, what they can do can u imagine? Will they allow any other religion to survive in this world?
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 11:00 PM Permalink
Dude the whole world knows that US is a big rowdy nation maybe u don%u2019t want to say bcoz u are staying in US and might be kicked out from there I don%u2019t blame u. I%u2019m not justifying Saddam I know he was evil but how can u justify the thousand of innocent people who have been killed in iraq. I know if Islamic terrorists had the power of US they would be more dangerous but if u compare two evils and say one is better then there is no logic the conclusion is both are evil but one is in uniform so people don%u2019t mind what they do.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by pattu on Nov 14, 2007 10:43 PM Permalink
Excellent posting. I am disgusted by the Muslim attitude of intolernce to other faiths and beliefs. But I totally agree with you that Indian Muslims are somewhat different. Thats because they are in the mainstream of our Indian society. For example when we discuss about president Kalam, SRK, Sania Mirza or Bismillah Khan their Indian identity is much above than Muslim only identity. This is the greatness of Hindustan that everybody, irrespective of religion or class is allowed to contribute in the society. I am proud to be an Indian for this very nature and I hope my fellow Muslim brothers will follow the wisdom of Kalam Sir and others rather than the ideology of Bin Laden which is nothing but self destruction.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 10:48 PM Permalink
Sir majority of the muslims are peaceful in India its only a few who are brainwashed and commit acts of terror. Can u tell me from independence till date how many bomb blast were done by muslims to kill hindus. I blame the political parties namely the BJP and Congress who were responsible for Babri Masjid demolition after which the country fell into riots. The common man is only concerned about his daily bread but parties don%u2019t want this they want to divide people to get votes.
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by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 11:02 PM Permalink
Buddha ji I'm not a follower of islam so dont take me on islam I belive all religions are stupid and illogical and those who think their religion is superior are fooling thmeselves.
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by Sarith Sircar on Nov 14, 2007 11:22 PM Permalink
Dont talk crap Imran! You can't be a muslim and not be a follower of Islam! Rather than chickening out, stand for your beliefs and defend your beliefs!
RE:The Question one has to ask is why did Pakistan Fail?
by Imran on Nov 14, 2007 10:16 PM Permalink
Great comments sirji I'm a moderate muslim infact I dont belive in islam nor any religion bcoz all are illogical and big scams to exploit people.I write against inhuman people let it be muslims or hindus bcoz for me the common man who is striving to earn his daily bread is important.
