RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 09:13 PM Permalink
In that case should be not be Diwali or Holi when Krunanidhi is met with the same fet, better so his wreched son M.K Stalin is met with the same fate???
I would add the same lines you added "He was human who rubbed a lot of people the wrong way .. I will never condone a murder .. but people can make their own judgement"
Ask any Iyer who has been kicked out of Tamilnadu, he would infact have the same exact wordings what you had for Perriyar Naiker.
I am emotional about Rajiv Gandhi or the Congress. The question is if a former Indian Prime Minister is assasinated by a terrorist organisation, its not about Rajeev Gandhi, its about an "FORMER INDIAN PRIME MINISTER".
Any organasition which assasinates an former Indian PM becomes a terrorist organisation and automatically an enemy of India, more so any individual who supports those actions, also become a supporter of terrorists and terrorist organsations.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
By the way and for your info the whole of India knows about M.K Stalin and his unpunished crime of commiting a r@pe on a Television anouncer years back. Yet people from Tamilnadu wish to make him the CM shows their intelect. On one hand they have some false, mythical and damb squib stories about the IPKF and its attrocities and the r@pers and all the bunch of lies, on the other hand they aspire to make a r@pist a CM of Tamilnadu???
RE:RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Bhakar Chatopadyaya on Nov 05, 2007 12:02 AM Permalink
when killer modi can become cm why cannot stalin become cm?
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 02, 2007 11:41 PM Permalink
While I do not agree with the opinion that Iyers have been virtually driven out of TN, (I have travelled widely in TN.) I do agree that there is significant hostility against them and this can indeed be traced to Periyar. I do feel the attitude "get out and stay out" for the Iyers most strongly in TN. Even in Mumbai (which did have an agitation against Tamils), they are treated like normal people.
The current CM is certainly not helping. I do get the feeling that in general, the people in TN are nice. However, the wrong groups are significantly more vocal (this sounds familiar?) and powerful. Case in point is Shankaracharya's arrest. This could happen because he is a soft target and can be kept confined indefinitely without proof! THIS CAN HAPPEN ONLY IN TN. OK, some would point out that it was Jayalalitha who arrested him. Granted, but I do not see Karunanidhi or any DMK person change it. Their glee is unmistakable. To understand, ask any person who saw SUN TV braodcasts (controlled by DMK at least then) and the lalnguage they used while referring to the Shankaracharya.
While I understand the sentiment that LTTE is empowering Tamils who were discriminated against, his handling of Tamils with opposing opinions within SL is barbaric and cannot be compared to our freedom fighters(Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman). Even the so called Sikh extremists started to see reason and the hatred got tempered and terrorism is a much smaller problem. Discounting all the above,
RE:RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 02, 2007 11:47 PM Permalink
Continued from my previous post...
Discounting all the above, the fact that LTTE was responsible for killing our elected leader is sufficient for me to oppose them. In fact, this would be true in most countries but not India. India traditionally has had soft corneres for all the people right or wrong. The good effect is that paradoxically, Iran and Iraq are India's friends, Syria, Lebanon, the Gulf states and Israel are India's friends. Almost any ethnic group settled in India did well and chose to settle here.
The bad effect is however, that it is easy for Indian enemies to get sympathisers within India. This tendency of Indians may be right or wrong, but in my books, any organization that kills a publicly elected person cannot be supported. Even if somebody kills Karunanidhi, taht person would have to be opposed because regardless of my personal opinion, after all, he was elecetd by the public.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Mahesh Margam on Nov 03, 2007 12:40 AM Permalink
Just coz Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman fought for ur freedom, you can accept them. The same way the sl tamils will see prabhakaran as you see Netaji or Bhagat Singh or Kattabomman. Think in their shoees.
Nobody cares for your personal like or dislike. The point is what India did to SL tamils is wrong and they have given back what rajiv needed, in full.
So just down come everytime that they killed rajiv, they killed army and all those sob stories....
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by S Ramanathan on Nov 03, 2007 09:41 AM Permalink
First, if you want to support any group that is against the nation, it is your opinion. As for booth capturing etc., this was most certainly not true for Rajiv Gandhi (About KK etc., I do not know). In fact, he had a huge majority (Maybe due to a sympathy wave but anyway, it is impossible to fake a 4/5th majority by booth capturing). What should I do? Support every mercenary who is obviously killing left and right against my country? You may find excuses/reasons to do so, but not me. Every terrorist obviously would have some kind of sob story and gets some support somewhere.
Of course, your point about politicians is well explained and maybe people being quiet is the problem. However, killing a prime minister is serious (however bad, the country is destabilized) and overlooking that while supporting Prabhakaran who has killed Tamil people too is not for me. Of course, opinions would differ.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Mahesh Margam on Nov 03, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
Are you sure that the so called elected politicians are real elected by the people? If so then I might agree with you....
But the sad reality is that the politicians elect themselves by booth caputring, goondas, bribing and fals proclaimation. And rajiv was brought into power not coz he was selfless and next viable candidate in place of his mother. They just wantred someone from that family to be in the top poistion.
And it is coz of these false politicians people like you and me are suffering with high taxes and prices hikes. These bloody idiots will loot anything and everything possible.
Didn't you see what happend in Madurai during elections and during dinamalar fiasco? How can you still say people have elected KK? He just got himself in CM's position by goondas. To be a leader he must lead by example. His sons satlin and alakiri should be life sentecnced for their criminal activities.
Just coz someone is in power I can't agree he is a saint. Infact just coz of these killings have kept this so called elected public servants quiet. Otherwsie they wud have mass killed whoever they dislike.
Don't support the bloody politicians. To most people in India, they are the unmasked robbers/thieves...
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by senthil kumar on Nov 02, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
It means sikhs also enemy of the nation is it so, because they killed Former P.M Indira Gandhi in assination, hey comanya, don't be behave silly.
You NORTH INDIANS don't think that you are ruling entire India.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Anup Nair on Nov 03, 2007 08:58 PM Permalink
Right arguments, senthil.
Rajiv should not have poked his nose in SL affaiirs. He shud not have sent his army to rape the tamil women.
I am sure any sensible Indian PM would think twice before sending an army to SL against Tamils.
But to be honest, I would like the Indian army to be sent to SL against theses fascist sinhalese. I am sure though the brothers of the sinhalese, the RSS BJP gang would not let that happen, neither the now-clever congress.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Aditya Phadnis on Nov 02, 2007 10:52 PM Permalink
who is a north Indian here ???
I am not.
If you wish to classify everybody else in India as North Indian, that shows ur poor intlelect and poor knowledge of Geography. Look at the Map of India, see that it has 4 regions North, South, East, West. It has 28 states, it has 17 languages.
So if you wish to put everybody I mentioned in the North Indian category, I would just do one thing..PITY YOU AND YOUR POOR KNOWLEDGE.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
So it would have been better, if the Sri Lankan Sailor had succeeded in killing Rajiv?
Then you wouldnt be emotional. After all he is not a terrorist ..
Rajiv is a PM/Ex PM of India not SL .. He had no business to poke his nose everywhere ... If you s-it at your neighbours house .. expect the s-it to come back to your doorstep.
Jackson, If the Lankan sailor had indeed suceeded in his motive, India would have indeed done what a country would do if its head of state was assainated in a foreign country. Even the Lankans knew that and they were even more scared at that outcome. Do read some issues of the magazne Frontline on that if you wish to get more info.
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:31 PM Permalink
That sailor was made an MP (member of parliament) ... even today he is considered a SInhala hero .. do a bit of google or visit youtube ..
Most Indians supported the Sinhalese sailor .. I was a schoolboy in Adyar then ..
Jackson are there any Brahmins left in Tamilnadu ??????
I doubt your propangadistic talk. See its a common sentense since Perriyar started the facist anti Brahmin movement. Now you dont even have them in single or decimal digits to support your argument.
Show me the sumbers from census of India, and not DMK numbers to support your argument about that many Brahmins in Tamilnadu.
Brahmin numbers in Tamilnadu in rural areas have dropped even below the decimal mark, in cities like Madras may be just 2 % of the whole city population. May be you are mistaking sombody else to be Brahmins. You dont have any of those left now there .
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Jackson on Nov 02, 2007 09:36 PM Permalink
People in Adyar are mainly the higher caste brahmins etc.., and they felt it was OK for a SInhala soldier to kill or attempt to kill Rajiv Gandhi ..
But lowly Tamils shouldnt .. That is my disgust and today I take a hardline view on Tamil Nationalism...
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by Prakash Gomathinayagam on Nov 03, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Tamils (brahmins) kicked out ?. Good story. Who is the author ?
RE:Emotional about Raji Gandhi
by deecee on Nov 03, 2007 12:23 AM Permalink
And who is resonsible for the death of 5000 indian soldiers of IPKF.And Shah Bano case and BOFORS. But we have a chowk and many prestigious monuments for such a great person.Gandhi and Nehru will continue to haunt this land.
