RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
My topic got diverted cas the above people like "ali baba" , "abhishek" asked question, otherwise I was suppose to stop it with just one comment. I would agree that a hotel waiter in metro has "some" advantage over others. Lets contrast this with another waiter who is upper caste in the same hotel. The upper caste waiter ( according to him and the society ) is not "meant" to be doing the menial job while the other waiter is "born" to be doing that... no one says this, but it is built by the society layer after layer from the time one is born. Anyway I am stopping with this.
RE:RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 06:36 PM Permalink
Certain people have geniuely suffered and have been handicapped, all others OBCs, ST and others where not "forced" to lead a tribal life style nor they suffered untouchability. When someone suffered these people distanced, now when government wishes to uplift them, these people want to be included.
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Ali Baba on May 31, 2007 06:41 PM Permalink
Friend daughter of former President of India N.K Narayan took job on reservation quota....
These are such a cheap lot of people and you are sympathising....
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 06:42 PM Permalink
Why dont you give the example of million others who do not even know that reservation exists for them??
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Narad on May 31, 2007 07:07 PM Permalink
Krishna a Yadav was a king....Chandra Gupta Mayura ...Asoka a sepherd were Emperors.... so dont mix up history
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Narad on May 31, 2007 07:20 PM Permalink
Friend Sicilian then where is the controversary? Yes the very poor needs roti-kapda-makan and Govt hasto give it to them. By earning more, while reservation is eating up that very ability through introduction of inefficiency
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 07:16 PM Permalink
I am not justifying reservations for anyone then the people who were at the bottom most ladder of the Hindu society. The untouchables. Read my topmost post on the same line. Problem is the India should be clearly able to justify who the reservation should be given and who should it not be.
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
@Narad There is a difference between "poor" who need roti-kapda-makan and the "poor"& "dalits" who needs roti-kapda-makan and something more which says "You deserve something better", the one way which government is trying to force this in them is through reservation (since government cant change the religious texts or the attitude of other people towards them).
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Narad on May 31, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
Friend you are we are blogging inthe context of Gujjar riots. And when it comes to earning respect the deserving ones dont need Govt help. Surely if you are from a Metro city(which is what econ-progressive society behaves like) I dont think you ask the waiter in Hotel about his caste.
Economic-progress-science automatically wipes out racial nonses. This Govt intervention is only polarising-nourishing a bad identity.
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Narad on May 31, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
You asked a brilliant question the Yadavs, Sephards... were flourishing people.. so how do you justify reservation for them??
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Narad on May 31, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Dear friend Sudama a Brahmin was starving pauper while Krishna a Yadav was a king....Chandra Gupta Mayura ...Asoka a sepherd were Emperors.... so dont mix up history
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 07:08 PM Permalink
Give me an example in history when untouchable have achieved any the status you have mentioned above. All krishna, karna, sudama , chandragupta, ashoka were anything but not an untouchable. History does have to say something.
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by abhinav goel on May 31, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
Dear Sicilian..............then why dont they implement the creamy layer in these quotas......??
BTW.in the teeming millions .........there r upper casts also...........who r as poor as the lower castes........
RE:RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 07:02 PM Permalink
Poverty is 1 generation disease, caste is of 100 or even 1000 generations together. Can you make anything of the sindhi community who came from pakistan (then india) to this side and became rich ? How do you justify that ? Hard work and why do certain people who live in perpetual poverty for generations not able to get rid of it , again the answer is religion and social pressue!! cas they are not then choosen people to be rich.
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Ali Baba on May 31, 2007 06:55 PM Permalink
Those millions any way get sidelined by the elite-backward who corners the benefit.
Yes those millions need help, but that can come when wealth is generated that can be spent on them. And this wealth can be created only when genuinely meritorious(not cast based) get the drivers seat. Today more than 2 lakh crores are blocked in Govt cos and instead of generating wealth like black-hole they are eating up tax money.
If Europe has banished slavery(another name for caste system) it is due to economic-scientific progress not quota system.
Million dollar question is do we waste tax-payers money on useless fellows who are riding piggybank on genuine poor or bother about the real needy?
RE:just like supreme court had observed...
by Sicilian on May 31, 2007 06:57 PM Permalink
So do you mean when India was "sone ki chidya" these people were rich?? Forget it, people just know to make gold and stash them in their houses, didnt you hear that India is a trillon dollor economy ? All evil arises from Hinduism which dosnt teach to help community or poors, instead they blame on the birth.
