Nowhere in Islam allows such heinous act regardless if it against other religion or on its own, Islam doesnt allow this. Islam teaches how to develop tolerance, how to behave well, how to control over temper, how to be more down to earth, how to help others, how to be more simple, how to remove proud from oneself, how to care others, how to love people, how to respect people, how to remove poverty, how to respect women, how respect other religion, how to live within a Islamic state or in state ruled by any other religion etc. Also Islam teaches Jihad which means basically Struggle and it applies to many different forms: for an example controlling from doing any bad deeds it is kind of struggling to stay in the path of truth is also one kind of Struggle. Paying good enough money for charity, this is also struggle for the cause of money. Struggle to control temper, struggle to earn money in the right way, struggle to save life, and struggle to save religion. The outcome or rewards that mentions in Islam are no different from those different form of struggle. Here I would elaborate little more about struggle to save religion. This context clearly means that when a Muslim is forced to convert his religion or something like a planned attach is being applied to his religion that is completely cause of religion issue or insulting Islam then in this case a Muslim is responsible to fight back and it is another form of Struggle or Jihad. Attacking from behind, killing innocent people are simply act of Terrorist and they should be punished to maximum torture something like they should hanged to poster live and the part of the body should chopped one by one to make sure they get maximum pain before they die. In the Koran it is more often mentions about entire Humanity rather than just to talk to on Muslim. The language, grammar and speech clear shows it is the word of God and the Koran is for the whole community in the World. Muslim start prayer by starting with the must read Sura, Which is Alhamdulilahi Rabbil Alaamin Here Alaamin means the entire humanity in the world. It doesn%u2019t tell that only Muslilimin. It is unfortunate that some idiot explains the meaning of Koran differently and misguiding people. In Madrasah where main objective is to learn Koran would never teach such distorted meaning of Jihad unless there is terrorist group who are influencing those teachers. Please stop criticizing any religion. Especially I would request to Muslim people that please respect other religion because it has clear guidance from Koran that If you insult other religion then they will also insult your religion which means you respect other religion so that they will also respect your religion.
RE:Spare Religion and please identify the real culprit!
by vivek hiremath on May 21, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
sir, tell me. why muslims in indian subcontinent demanded for separate nation for themselves to be carved out from then unified india where ever muslims were in majority. although they were well aware that still devided india is going to have more muslims than pakistan. truth is islam teaches her followers either convert kafir ( non beleivers) to islam or kill him. whenever muslims find themselves in majority they become ruthless and start their activities , just like demanding separate nation , why they didnt thought of for those muslims, to be in more numbers than themselves, who are going to remain in divided india ? and i understand muslims in present india voted in bulk for separate pakistan than muslims in today's pakistan. i really fail to understand with more muslims remaining in india what muslims in general got for themselves by creating pakistan?
RE:Spare Religion and please identify the real culprit!
by The Lion on May 21, 2007 05:04 PM Permalink
If the thing is what you said, why your ppl asked a separte nation in name of Religion. That to by race, ethnic, lingual being same as of other indians. When their exist plenty of indic local languages why you forefront urdu/arabic in every way of your life. Urdu is noones language and it was just created to rootout Indians from their nativity and make them a 100% product of Islam. For example when 98% of sind and punjab speak their native languages why urdu alone made nationl languge in pak. When 90% are kashmiri speakers why then urdu official language in kashmir killing 'kashmiri'. Its plain that if you become a major chunk in the population, you will show you real face.
You show secular symptoms when you are marginal and when you become a majority, you show up THE TERROR. May be there few good ones out of you but again TERROR leads.
RE:RE:Spare Religion and please identify the real culprit!
by The Lion on May 21, 2007 05:07 PM Permalink
Can anyone repost or send the extract of that great posting of JGN.
RE:Spare Religion and please identify the real culprit!
by vivek hiremath on May 21, 2007 07:47 PM Permalink
RE:Spare Religion and please identify the real culprit!
by JGN on May 21, 2007 02:44 PM | Hide message Mr. Vivek, answer to your question:
During the eighteenth century the Mughal empire fell on bad days; in the nineteenth it rapidly declined. But the Muslims could not forget the privileged position they had enjoyed in the medieval period. With the decline of the Muslim political power at the Centre and in Muslim ruled provinces, a dilemma stared them in the face. They had to live on terms of equality with the Hindus. Worse still, these Hindus were in a majority. They could not think of living under the dominance of the Hindu majority. Three examples of this attitude, one each from the eighteenth, nineteenth and twentieth century will suffice to illustrate the point.
(1) After Aurangzeb's death when Muslim power started to disintegrate, the Sufi scholar Shah Waliullah (1703-1763) wrote to the Afghan King Ahmad Shah Abdali, inviting him to invade India to help the Muslims. The letter said: In short the Moslem community is in a pitiable condition. All control of the machinery of the government is in the hands of the Hindus because they are the only people who are capable and industrious. Wealth and prosperity are concentrated in their hands, while the share of Moslems is nothing but poverty and misery. At this time you are the only king who is powerful, farsighted and capable of defeating the enemy forces. Certainly it is incumbent upon you to march to India, destroy Maratha domination and rescue weak and old Moslems from the clutches of non-Moslems. If, Allah forbid, domination by infidels continues, Moslems will forget Islam and within a short time, become such a nation that there will be nothing left to distinguish them from non-Moslems.
(2) Nawab Wiqar-ul-Mulk (1841-1917) of the Aligarh School of Muslim Politics who is generally regarded as one of the makers of modern Muslim India, was Sir Syed Ahmed's loyal follower. He also became the Secretary of the Aligarh College. According to Tazkirah-i-Wiqar the Wiqar-ul-Mulk said: We are numerically one-fifth of the other community. If, at any time, the British Government ceases to exist in India, we shall have to live as the subjects of the Hindus, and our lives, our property, our self-respect and our religion will all be in danger. If there is any device by which we can escape this it is by the continuance of the British Raj, and our interests can be safeguarded only if we ensure the continuance of the British Government.
(3) About half a century later, Laiqat Ali Khan voiced his demand at a meeting with Lord Wavell on 24 January 1946 that the British resolve the transfer of power problem by imposing a solution on the basis of Pakistan. Wavell told him in reply that in such a case, the British would have to stay on in India to enforce this imposed solution. According to an entry in Wavell's journal of the same date Liaqat Ali said that in any event we (the British) would have to stop for many years yet, and that the Moslems were not at all anxious that we should go.
Thus highly educated and important Muslim leaders like Shah Waliullah, Wiqar-ul-Mulk and Liaqat Ali Khan preferred to live under the rule of foreigners like the Afghans and the British than to live as a free people with the Hindus just because the latter happened to be in a majority. Is it therefore any wonder that the majority of Muslims were not interested in joining the freedom struggle for India's independence? The leadership of Mahatma Gandhi was acceptable to them only in the context of the Khilaft movement. Else, he was declared as a leader of the Hindus only. And what the Ali brothers said about the Mahatma vis-a-vis an ordinary or even an anti-social Muslim has become proverbial as indicative of the Muslim attitude towards non-Muslims in India. Of course, today Muslims in India swear by democracy and secularism
The idea of Pakistan was as old as the Muslim rule in India. M.A. Jinnah is reported to have said that the seeds of Pakistan were planted when the first Hindu converted to Islam in India. Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto reiterated the same conclusion in still clearer terms. Wrote he, The starting point of Pakistan goes back a thousand years to when Mohammed-bin-Qasim set foot on the soil of Sind and introduced Islam in the sub-continent.The study of Mughal and British periods will show that the seeds of Pakistan took root in the sub-continent from the time Muslims consolidated their position in India. The creation of two sovereign states of India and Pakistan merely formalised this existing division. Jinnah and Bhutto were not historians. But Aziz Ahmad in a historical analysis in his Studies in Islamic Culture in the Indian Environment arrives at the same conclusion. However, whatever the point of time or the genesis of Partition, never before was India geographically divided on religious basis in the course of its long history. The creation of Pakistan in 1947 showed the way to other ambitious or aggrieved identities in Kashmir, Punjab and Assam to clamour for secession. The partition of the country may, perhaps, have been the logical legacy of Muslim rule in India, but the cinder fuelled by the original separatists is posing an unsurmountable problem for India's unity and integrity.
