Dear KA, before providing links on Islam, Watch this link if you are a Hindu, http://www.geocities.com/athens/pantheon/4789/Articles/Scripture/hind.htm
Any Religion can be Mis-interpreted and Bashed, but the Truth stands alone...
RE:Attention KA
by Anand Iyer on May 16, 2007 11:19 AM Permalink
Dear Ibrahim Sheikh, U r not able to logically refute my points. Your frustration in not being able to do so is reflected in your calling me a hindu fanatic. Yesterday when u found my msg to your liking on Pakistani blasts-u called me "a true follower of Rama". Then u don't like my msg today, u call me a "hindu fanatic". Inspite of your abuse, I still think u r a nice person. I have the following suggestions: 1.Don't take extreme views on both things that u like and things that u dont like- as I see u doing. This will hurt your progress. (Yesterday I was "true follower of Rama" and today u abuse me as "a hindu fanatic"). 2.I have presented facts(verses from Quran). U should present facts to refute facts not abuses. 3. Your comparison between "National Anthem" and "Quran" is not proper. Show me anything in National Anthem which says that it is maent for Bengalis . R there any verses in national anthem like Quran? 4.Develop logical reasoning for your own good. Stop abusing people and calling people names. 5. Yesterday I flashed certain points from Giat to those who were happy at deaths in Pakistan. I am flashing them again to u for your benefit.Develop these qualities mentioned in Gita: 1.non-violence in thought , word and deeds; 2.truthfulness and geniality of speech; 3.Compassion towards all 4. Bearing enmity towards none. Read 16th Chapter of Gita to develop a better personality. May God bless u.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on May 16, 2007 11:38 AM Permalink
Dear Anand Iyer, Each Sura has a Deep Context, the verses that you have mentioned are not contradicting at all..Since Mohammed is an Arab and he started his Mission from Mecca, the listeners of his Preachings are Arabs, so it will be Logical for everyone to have revealations in Arabic, that is OK.. But once the mission is accomplished in Arabia, also the Koran is for the entire Human Beings, it is the duty of every beleiver to put forth the message of GOD.. Even in Mohammed's life time, this message is taken for all the Surroundings of Arabia to Rome, Egypt, Persia and Central Africa.... My advise is
Let me give you an example of your Stupidity.. Using Hindu Scriptures... We all know MahaBharatha, Krishna asks Arjuna "KILL YOUR GRAND FATHER" can I Cut only that line from GITA and Conclude that, Hinduism allows killing of Grand Father ??? It is stupidity to just take a few lines here and there and come to a conclusion.. I have to read the entire GITA to understand why Krishna asks Arjuna to kill his Grand Father.. Similarly you have to read the Context of SURA in KORAN before Interpretations...
RE:Attention KA
by anand shrinivasan ganesh on May 16, 2007 11:50 AM Permalink
Ibrahim stop calling people names. Aagin u r calling me name" YOUR stupidity". Do I ever abuse u or any other person in tyhis forum. I simply put forth facts and my views. that is it. STOP CALLING PEOPLE NAMES. I REPEAT. STICK TO FACTS AND VIEWS. IF U CALL PEOPLE NAMES, IT MEANS TAHT U R NOT ABLE TO REFUTE THE OTHER PERSON'S FACTS.
RE:Attention KA
by Ibrahim Sheik on May 16, 2007 11:57 AM Permalink
I dont understand Mr. Shrini Anand, I am not calling a Name.. I am just addressing to the Queries.. I have called Anand as Anand but not as Anthony.. Why are you Worried ???
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by Anand Iyer on May 16, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
Dear Ibrahim, u have neither read the Gita nor the Quran. From what u write, I can make that out.In fact in Bhagvad Gita, in verse no.63 of Chapter No.18, Lord Krishna says: "Deeply ponder over what I have revelaed to u and do as u please." So, Arjuna was free not to follow what Krisna said if he did not find Krisna's teaching logical or appealing to conscience. Read both Gita and quran before commenting on them. Develop the habit of reading!!!!. Think independently. Find out things for yourself. Don't repeat like a parrot what u hear. Is a muslim allowed to do likewise in case of Quran???? If so, Ibrahim, quote Sura and AYAT.
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by Anand Iyer on May 16, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
it is open for a hindu to accept parts of scriptures which he finds reaonable and reject the rest. Is a muslim allowed to do likewise in case of Quran???? If so, Ibrahim, quote Sura and AYAT.
RE:Attention KA
by Ibrahim Sheik on May 16, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
Who gave you the Authority to REJECT the WORD of GOD, it is like saying I can follow only a Few Traffic Rules, but I can jump Traffic Lights, it is upto me.. If you cannot change MAN MADE Traffic Rules, then how can you change God made Rules...???
RE:RE:Attention KA
by Anand Iyer on May 16, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Well said KA. In fact in Bhagvad Gita, in verse no.63 of Chapter No.18, Lord Krishna says: "Deeply ponder over what I have revelaed to u and do as u please." He says very clearly that even Divine revealations should not be blindly believed and acted upon. Thus, it is open for a hindu to accept parts of scriptures which he finds reaonable and reject the rest. Is a muslim allowed to do likewise in case of Quran???? If so, Ibrahim, quote Sura and AYAT.
RE:Attention KA
by KA on May 16, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Here is what an atheist has to say about Hinduism :http://reddit.com/info/scgc/comments/csd4y Quote :"However, most important/basic Hindu texts (Vedas) (and Buddhist texts) don't claim to be "Absolute, final truths" and actually recommend that the basic tenets be updated as new discoveries and new knowledge is brought in.. So, theoretically, one can add Darwinian evolution to the Hindu Vedas and the Hindu scholars will (have to?) rethink their philosophy incorporating this new information.. These texts also recommend that a potential follower, using his own critical thinking, question and explore all that his teacher and these religious text have to say and only accept it if he feels so.. No Abrahamic faith-based text encourages critical thinking or questioning the bible/koran..
Do you know there are PURELY atheistic version of Hinduism..?
"The Universe (everything in it) is one single entity, which due to unknown reasons express itself as matter or energy. That entity is not attributed any supernatural powers or intelligence..and hence is not a god or a deity.."
And this is from a few thousand years back.. If a philosophy that old is mature enough to not attribute anything to a "supreme intelligence", I am sure it will be mature enough to change (even reverse) it's theories with recent discoveries like evolution and quantum theory..
Also, all those "evil" parts of Abrahamic faiths (Islam and Christianity) which demand unconditional belief and include evangelism (ie "spreading this faith") as a requirement are absent in Hindu and Buddhist Texts..
IMO, atheism is still a better option, but the arguments against Hinduism and Buddhism are not as easy as the Bible or Koran.."
RE:Attention KA
by Anand Iyer on May 16, 2007 11:31 AM Permalink
Yeah. There is pure atheistic version. Charvaka is the main exponent. Besides, Jabali, one of the advisors of Lord Rama was an atheist. Excellent post KA.
RE:Attention KA
by KA on May 16, 2007 11:18 AM Permalink
Hinduism is not a religion of "the book". It is subject to reform. Islam is based on a book that cannot be changed.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on May 16, 2007 11:37 AM Permalink
My Question is Who gave you the Authority to reform a Book...It refers to your Lack of Faith.. We Muslims firmly beleive that Koran is a Word of God, we think the God who has created us knows better than us.. So we are not authorised to add or delete anything in Koran.. But you guys dont firmly beleive that the Vedas is the Word of God, and you keep on changing according to your WISH, this led to the Problems of not understanding the reality.. Till Now No Hindu Priest has given a Clear definition of God....
RE:Attention KA
by KA on May 16, 2007 11:43 AM Permalink
You may not be able to reform a book, but you cannot reform a religion if it based on a fixed book. As Wafa Sultan says modern civilization is based on thousands of books. Hinduism gives scope for revision of ideas. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLoasfOLpQ&mode=related&search=
