While the dalits who were at the bottom of earlier castocracy and brahmins who are now at the bottom of the post-periar inverted castocracy, both of them know what it is to be illtreated, no wonder if they come together now, when given a chance by BSP.
But, there is also probably a deeper reason. Whem islam attacked and subjugated India, the kshatriyas, as per caste-dharma, fought and died; the vysyas ran off from the villages with their gold and jewels and came back later. Sudras simply took wage-work under the new moslem masters, but retained their lands, hindu gods and temples. The pre-moghul dalits were forced to convert to islam. But the brahmins did nothing, just waited to be killed; even moslems found it difficult to handle such passive resistance; they simply forced the learned brahmins into ghettos called agrahaarams [garlands] around temples and the others out of the villages as the new dalits. This explains why the dalits retained god-related names like jag-jeevan-ram, khansi-ram, krishna-swamy etc. to this century, while the OBCs went for modern names. Perhaps, this made Gandhiji call the dalits as harijans, Dr. Ambetkar marry a brahmin. In fact, the caste system which seems to have saved hindustan alone from being wiped off their old religion, unlike in persia, indonesia etc., may also now help save the country from selfcentred political parties of crminal greedy politicians, riding mainly on minority antinational votebanks.
Most confused, most idiotic & downright dishonest analysis with a mix of facts & lies!
When Mughals conquered India, the kshatriya did not fight! They rather sent their sisters & daughters to Sultan's beds to establish relations with them! Only two honorable exceptions, Rana Pratap & Shivaji! And both had their armies full with dalit / adivasi warriors! They fought the wars!
Brahmins were not passive,they prayed for the new Sultans & served in their courts!
Mayawati knows that the frustrated Brahmin has nowhere to go & he has no option but to join hands with Mayawati for his political survival!
Ambedkar didnot marry a Brahmin woman, he married a CKP woman. CKPs are considered lower castes by Brahmins & they were tortured by Brahmins during British period! Read Prabodhankar Thakare's book on that. Tell such lies that can be accepted.
Finally caste system did not save Hinduism, it converted Hinduism into a garbage dump. Now Dalits have discovered that caste is a powerful time tested weapon & they want to use it against their perpetrators. They sould use it. Afterall caste is more durable than Hinduism & its great philosophy!
RE:pre-moghul brahmins became post-moghul dalits
by Sridhar on Nov 26, 2007 12:17 AM Permalink
Hi Prabhanjan Butshikan,Before criticizing seshadri you first put the facts here,don hide..
1."When Mughals conquered India, the kshatriya did not fight! They rather sent their sisters & daughters to Sultan's beds to establish relations with them! Only two honorable exceptions, Rana Pratap & Shivaji! And both had their armies full with dalit / adivasi warriors! They fought the wars!
Brahmins were not passive,they prayed for the new Sultans & served in their courts!",
What about the Great Peshwa rulers,Peshwa Baaji Rao undisputed Maratha king,mightier than all the maratha rulers...think hes a Brahmin what do you think?please think before writing... 2."Mayawati knows that the frustrated Brahmin has nowhere to go & he has no option but to join hands with Mayawati for his political survival!"
Mayawati herself Joined hands with Brahmins to gain majority in the state,good to see the Dalit-Brahmin thesis...
RE:pre-moghul brahmins became post-moghul dalits
by SONAL on Nov 26, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
" What about the Great Peshwa rulers,Peshwa Baaji Rao undisputed Maratha king,mightier than all the maratha rulers...think hes a Brahmin what do you think?" This is absolutely true! Infact it was only the Brahmin Rulers from Maharashtra who could recapture the land upto Attock and Khyber Pass. All the so called Kshatriyas and other warrior classes from North India could not even come anywhere close to this feat! Don't just criticise Brahmins for whatever comes to mind! This universe moves in circle whatever goes up comes down and whatever is down goes up! One has to remember this!
