After reading some of the comments, it's disheartening to see that there are so many amongst us who want to board the first flight out! Is India really so bad? One of the readers in his comments went to the extent of suggesting that the idea of migration should be inculcated from a young age itself!!! Is this the right kind of message? Foreign education is not bad because we are not perfect yet and lot of things can be learnt from the developed countries and their system of governance and administration. But to go there with the idea of living there permanently-is that rational? Is escapism the only way out of all the troubles that we face in our country? I am only 23 but when I hear my juniors and counterparts venting their frustration everyday because of little things, it really feels sad! Most of us haven't even seen the real struggle-afterall we got the luxury of INDEPENDENT INDIA as our birthright. Are we that weak that collectively problems can't be solved? I am not corrupt and I want a better country, a better infrastructure and so are the many readers in this discussion-so then what stops us from working together? Think hard friends-we are growing up to a better country-this year is only our 60th year of independence-let's give the right message.In a short time we have seen development. (maybe at a relatively slower pace but no denying that it has started to take place) Foreign education is not bad but the concept of disowning your very own people for materialistic gains is not the bravest of acts and would not define our true culture in the right sense. Imagine what the Americans, Canadians, Australians think of us? Are Indians that greedy that they can leave anything and everything for comfort? Think hard my friends. And sorry, if I am off track-comments are welcome!
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by ashish bhalla on Mar 26, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
good effort vishit...all i can say is even after 60 yrs if this country's people cant rectify their governments then i dont see any real reason not to jump the bandwagon and grab the elusive green card. n i have cast my vote in and every single election to try and make a difference and difference i have made yes by voting for more and more murderers and rapists to our parliament. i wonder how many people convicted of rape and murder will be a part of the senate in the US. yes they too are corrupt but they do grab the money after they give the public its due. and well they do honor their scientists and educators which in no way kids your age do that here in MY country. when they go to work they dont have to bother about their travel tickets, gas, atta, dal, chawal. you know the small things in life. they have better things and important ones to think about. they do have people running guns and drugs but then its upto them to find their way out of it. they dont reserve seats for the blacks or hispanics or other ethnic minorities they treat them on par. yes they are racists but at the end of the day if you have the guts to stand out of the croud then you do get your due.there isnt any place for an also-ran in that society.for getting a ration card a black robably doesnt have to bribe anyone. to get a cat out of the chimney a policeman even helps a black woman. i wonder if you were shot in your place how many guys from your police station would come to really help you.they also gained independence from the british and they too had independent states which were brought under one single banner but they are people who for one take pride in their nation and they dont ape anyone outside their country. they are people whose lives run by the clock and are always on time. not a second late for a meeting or an appointment. give the devil his due man it is a great country without doubt and going there to study shouldnt raise too much of a dust. else people from our top echelons of the science community wouldnt have made it their home. i dont think anyone is being greedy when it comes to getting educated its only a matter of escaping an oppressive society. think of your education being scuttled by mr arjun singh and his likes after you spend all your money in coaching centres and come out a pauper even after clearing your IIT and what a scar it leaves on your psyche. its to be experienced to be believed my friend take it from me.what india are you talking about? you are DEFINITELY off-track maybe you havent been on the track at all.
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by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:40 PM Permalink
Well, Mr.Bhalla, I didn't mention but after passing my year 12, I have lived and studied in Australia (since 2002)! So, my views are not out of ignorance, I have experienced the two sides of the coin. Anyways, I don't care, I have completed my education and am definitely coming back for good.Atleast I'll try to make a difference (however miniscule) so that I can look into anybody's eyes without any guilt. Maybe you have suffered enough, so I don't have the right to sayanything against you. But difference would be made because I am sure there are people like me (and a lot, trust me on that, courtesy our billion figure).
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by SUKANTO BHATTACHARYA on Mar 26, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
I think you are coming back because you didn't get an Aussie Permanent Residency visa - plain & simple . So please stop talking about sour grapes.
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by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 10:24 PM Permalink
Hey Brother i am a permanent resident of Australia! I can live and work anywhere and whenever I want too. Sorry, but my thinking is not governed by the lure of dollars!
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by Maximus Decimus Meridius on Mar 26, 2007 10:04 PM Permalink
I dont think an American will think ill of a migrant. They are a country of immigrants who left their home countries in search of better opportunities elsewhere. After independence, a number of German immigrants came to the US to escape religious persecution and get out of their miserable life as the dregs of German society and start anew. The potato famine brought loads of Irish to America in search of a better life. So, no, Americans or Canadians wont think any worse of an immigrant.
There's also more to it than money. India cannot offer some things at this time. Research is virtually nil in India. This is especially true in Engineering - computer science has a bit of it in the form of MS research and perhaps google.
Furthermore, dont people move from Bihar to Bombay instead of trying to make bihar a better place? Why do they give up so easily on the state that they grew up in and took care of them?
It isnt about disowning anybody. Yes, some do it for money, some do it for intellectual reasons. Whatever be the case, I see it no different from a bihari rickshaw driver in Bombay. Or the udipi restraunt owner. Or the Gujrati kirana shop owner.
If you think you can make a difference, please do so by all means. But do it first, before you judge others.
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by Mahesh on Mar 26, 2007 09:20 PM Permalink
if you are given the following two options to select for your job, which one would you select.. 1. Rs. 90 lakhs salary per annum car house good responsibilities 2. Rs. 9 lakhs salary per annum - bad traffic - bad roads - income tax - corruption whenever you deal with govt offices
would you still prefer second at that point in time?
(It is OK if your age is more than 65 or so, and are very much emotional with India)
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by hello on Mar 26, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
I told that I am off the forum, but didn't tell avoid replying!!! 90 lakhs is not true figure!!! We need to compare both figures after expense!!! But any way, appreciate your thought to get world knowledge and if get chance try to apply some to India too like others!!!
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by yakkala viswanadh on Mar 26, 2007 10:18 PM Permalink
I prefer the second one. India is going to rule the whole world in the future. Then I will be happy to find a minuscule part of my contribution in it. Mera Bharat Mahan
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by vij on Mar 26, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
that idiot,arjun singh, should canvass for obcs,scs,stc,etc for GCs nd HB1s.. and i hope he succeeds..this is his final chance to really do some service to india.. atleast some load will be off the slogging open-category candidates..! look at the medical profession- the best of students get into medicine from open stream, then they are discriminated against, all rules favouring the so-called "backward" "castes"; why would hard-working people want to live in India, where they re given neither respect, nor money, nor peace..well, its better that these people go abroad, even if only for money. INDIA,NOW,QUALIFIES AS ONLY BEING A PIECE ON HTE EARTH WHERE WE WERE BORN. BUT TODAY, INDIA GIVES NOTHING TO THOSE WHO REALLY WORK HARD. PATRIOTISM WONT FEED STOMACHS. BETTER LIVE A MATERIALISTIC LIFE IN COMFORT; BETTER THAT HARD WORK GETS ATLEAST MONEY IN RETURN, IF NOTHING ELSE!
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by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Well, people go to do their master there (I mean the good people who go to good schools) because we dont have any real masters/PhD programs here. I agre about making a better India etc. - but you just cant match the graduate education in the US. After the education, they way you are treated is another matter.
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by rax raja on Mar 26, 2007 09:28 PM Permalink
90 laksh per annum stuff. What do you do mahesh? Most Americans dont earn that kind of money. Let alone indians. Esp. those going on H1 or normal F1 visas.
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by Manny on Mar 27, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
You are not seeing the big picture. Europeans travelled and took over large globs of Land. The Americas, Australia, NZ and what not.
Do you know the size of CA and the 25million population living there?
Its time Indians move and take their share of the land.
India has enough people. To say..that they all should stay in one crowded land is bizzare!
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by Farhan Shaikh on Mar 26, 2007 09:37 PM Permalink
I agree.but look around,education institutions in India except for very few, have definitely deteriorated over last 10-15 years.The college from where I did my MBBS and MD is not the same!the govt.hospitals and medical colleges run by govt are in sorry state of affairs, anybody will tell you that.I dont know about other specialities.But the govt is overflowing with corruption.and that is so evident in education system in India.I wish what you said would be possible, but this country is moving towards a breakdown..IT boom and India shining are false compaigns...just look around yourself,last 15 yrs,the traffic is worse,pollution more,basic amenities scarcier,more violence,more corruption,deteriorating juditiary,non existant law & order.After slogging our kids for 12 years in schools do u want to admit them in those rotten institutions?
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by raghu mudhivarthi on Mar 26, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Hi Vishit, I completely agree with you. I am at present in US, and i see a lot of people here embarassed of coming from india. " I am not a typical desi" or "stop being a typical desi" is what i hear a lot of times here. Most of my friends think its their bad luck that they werent born here and instead were born in India. People might say i am being hypocritical staying in US and talking like this but... I dont see a point of coming to US anymore (may be for MONEY).. may be thats a good enough reason ... but certainly not a good enough reason to run away from your country....I agree there are some drawbacks in india but nothing is perfect as you said and I bet US has many drawbacks too....Its just that there are more resources here.,more because its just been may be 400 years that the resources here have been used...I would like to see what US would be like after resources being consumed for 2000 years... Anyway good too read your view.
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by vishit kumar on Mar 26, 2007 09:30 PM Permalink
Thanks Raghu! I myself studied in Australia for 4 years. And you have hit the bulls-eye because the Indians in Australia don't want to be called an Indian. I don't care- I will definitely do something worthwhile (to hell with losers) for my country even if it's on a miniscule scale.Atleast then I can see into anybody's eye without any guilt! Thanks
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by irshad hussain on Mar 26, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
I do agree with you, i was in australia for 2 years, and they think that INDIAN are poor and they are wvery where in the world because of money.but the fact is INDIAN no matter what job they are doing in western countries, they are making enuf money to live a good life.They are able to support their parents. Everyone says INDIA is booming, even i used to read on websites about INDIA, thats y i lEFT SYDNEY and came back, now i see the truth HOW INDIA IS BOOMING,I SEE ONLY TOP LAYERS PEOPLE HAVE INCREASED, THEY HAVE MADE SO MUCH MONEY AND PUT IN THEIR BANKS, there are still poor suffering, and middle class are the worst hit, only rich have become more rich. except IT whyrn't salaries of people increasing, y are security people paid only 4000 rs and made to work 15 hours a day, why are labourers not being paid good money, If India has to improve it has to be improved in all directions, not just IT people. And above all these Politicians, i dont understand what are tehy gonna do by keeping 100 of crores inbuilt some bank and able to spend,y dont they spend some for poor. I had come back to India last month with a hope to do my own business as i have done MBA with International degree plus experience, but here IF U DDONT HAVE CRORES of rupeed Influence, u cannot open a good business, the way INDIA has become so expensive, I think Australia is cheaper because every person makes good money and afford to spend it, but here in India, people make Black money and put it on Lands and put in Banks, and these International company had made India to touch prices to the sky. How do u think Average people can live a relaxed Life? can you answer it?
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by Ashish Pade on Mar 26, 2007 09:24 PM Permalink
With the type of headline this news has,it is going to attract more people who desperately wants to leave india. And so the comments on news will follow. But my friend there are certainly more people who wants to live in india and DO GOOD than who wants to leave. We will make India "better place to live".
