As they say "Never explain! Your friends don't need it and your enemies wouldn't beleive it. Anyway it's purposeless!" Do you sincerely believe that the Americans (with all their technical expertise and satellite spying) and the Chinese (a closed society in whose hotel Musharraf was staying then) aren't in the know as to what was the reality? Wouldn't it be naive to believe that the American intelligence system did not pervade the Pakistani set up and possibly to a lesser extent in comparison the Indian State? Then for whose knowledge the Vajpayee Govt played these tapes- to Congo? to Maldives? or like those who do not matter either way? Like Morarji Desai who blurted out to Zia thereby finishing off the Indian mole, Vajpayee Govt would only have succeeded in getting the Indian moles in the Pakistani set up finished or they played it to their own people. Whatever we may say, the old Cong Govts, like anglosaxons know how to govern, these JPs and BJPs are good at rhetoric and worse in delivering the goods!
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by Varatharajan S on Jun 27, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Hi Kabeer, It is very much possible that both US and China were in the know. But, to get a diplomatic action / pressure, proof needs to be provided. Varatha
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by Anand Bharadwaj on Jun 27, 2007 07:19 PM Permalink
Mr Kabeer, Are you aware of history? Kargil war is the only engagement that we did not lose a single inch of land. And during your per Congress we have lost, POK, Aksai, Arunachal in total amounting to more than 1 Lakh Sq. Mile of our area. Any Response?
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by Kabeer on Jun 27, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
And also PMs like Indira Gandhi had won major wars decisively in our favour, and pre-empted Pakistanis and occupied starategic locations like Siachin glaciers, a mirror image but a successfull operation unlike Kargil!
But the bigger point is people like Indira Gandhi didn't allow the butcher of Kargil- where young boys have lost their lives for no good reason- to be hailed by the Indian President at a banquest hosted in his favour and hail him as a "DISTINGUISHED SON OF DELHI!"
If you have a friend who died in the conflict, you will understand how such a remark hurts like slicing a scythe through your flesh! It's a bigger hurt than losing a friend for the cause of the nation!
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by Kabeer on Jun 27, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
Vajpayee led Govt hosted a banquet by the President of India on the butcher of Kargil-Musharraf- and the then President K R Narayanan heaped praise, on behalf of Vajpayee Govt., on this buther of our young sons of the nation by saying "DISTINGUISHED SON OF DELHI!" Didn't he or the Vajpayee Govt have any other word? Vajpayee Govt invited the filmstars of bollywood and other distingushed men and women of the country for a lunch hosted to Musharraf and these distinguished people rubbed shoulders with this butcher as if nothing had happened; All this was done even before the blood of our young boys dried on those icy peaks!
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by prabhat mohanty on Jun 27, 2007 08:29 PM Permalink
It's Mr Bajpayee who got away with this. BJP kept quite. Imagine any other party doing this! BJP would have got the whole country up in flame!! And this not the only thing he got away with!!!
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by Sincere Citizen on Jun 28, 2007 02:22 PM Permalink
Hmm, Mr. Kabeer you seem to be blaming only BJP. Look at both sides and never forget history. Who said Hindi-Chini bhai bhai and then lost war with Chinese ? certainly not BJP Who lost part of Kashmir to Pakistan ? certainly not BJP 1971 war , was a tactical success but strategic failure now we have a 2 headed hydra with same body trying to bite us from both sides. Bangladesh is no friend of ours and has all the common goals as Pakistan. Ask the BSF. If Indira G was so smart the 1971 war could have resulted in us getting Bangladesh and POK inside India, and a partly crippled one headed hydra called Pak would have remained. Talk of brains, none of our politicians had it or will ever have it. So dont heap praises on the Congress or blame BJP, they are same quality, if anything helps BJP mentioned once of removing aritcle giving Kashmir special status.
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by Anand Bharadwaj on Jun 27, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
I agree with it. Musharaff should not have been entertained in India. We sould have just given him the protocol requirements for a foreign president and be done with it. No photo ups in Agra.. etc. He is not worth it.
That is why ou rcountry is fast becoming a boneless one.
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by Anand Bharadwaj on Jun 27, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
I understand that the death of our brave soldiers could have been avoided if the governement had given consent to cross the line. But it was more strategic decision than a military one not to cross the line. The general perception was (and is) that the enemy will disintegrate by self, why meddle with it, which will cause it to unite against India.
But having said all these, our soldiers to be more respected and every sacrifice must not go a waste. We should stop the country being eaten from inside, where one day our soldiers will be gaurding a boneless country.
