RE:RE:Dr Singh\'s daughter
by shama quasim on Jun 22, 2007 06:11 PM Permalink
this mad man's ignorance about islam is pitiable.no religion condones violance.he, probably does not know the most of the terrorist belong to non-muslim non-islamist group.be it ltte,irish groups, israelis, naxalites, ulfa, nscn, rss and many of the groups operating in indian north-east states, bihar, orissa, andhra pradesh jharkhand, chhatisgarh, eastern europe etc. on the contrary, muslims/christains in the middleeast are struggling to stay in their motherland from where they have been forcibly evicted by israel and its mentors. islam is the only humane faith that binds its followers to offer a minimum definite share of their wealth to the needy. it teaches its follwers to help a poor man in arrnging marraige of his daughter in preferance to Haj if it comes to chosing one.
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
shama quasim
Ummm you are right but all the terrorists you are talking dont kill for converting people.They have a cause(which may not be related to Religion). Regarding Israel....i can talk lengths.. Islamists want to live in Israel not in Arab terrorist gaza it talks pages about Islam. Now to the question of who is a occupier...of Israel,The list starts with Mohammad..
RE:RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Saccha Hindustani on Jun 22, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
go and check what happened before Mohammad. you KAFIR? You are not allowed to take name of Mohammad (S.A.W).
before Mohammad there was a peaceful religion called Zoroastrianism and many of them were forced to convert but many fled to other regions in the hope of preserving their religious traditions. The descendants of those refugees that escaped this tyranny and came to India are known as the Parsis.
Zorostrianism (6th century B C ) precedes all other religions known to mankind.
The second Isaiah juxtaposes the great Persian King Cyrus with the first monotheistic declarations in the Bible. The second Isaiah is the first expression of universalism which has no antecedent in the Bible, according to the Anchor Bible note at Isaiah 45. He also first introduces the idea of false gods -- a fundamental and indispensable criteria for monotheism.
A universal God determines that only one is worshiped; a tribal god, of necessity, implies polytheism since there are other tribes. Before the exile, God was a vengeful, bloodthirsty, and jealous anthropomorphic tribal God of fear. After the exile, He became a good, perfect, remote, and universal God of love: identical to Ahura-Mazda of the Zoroastrians. It needed the subsequent missions of Nehemiah and Ezra backed by the Achaemenian Imperial Government's authority to make the Jews ruefully conform to the new ideal of monotheism.
Zoroastrian had evolved, if you must know, from Mithras, which is a Zoroastrian sub-cult.
RE:RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 07:26 PM Permalink
Saccha Hindustani
Dont think world started when your prophet started terror.There were empires which tried to occupy it before Ottoman before your prophet n before him Romans before them Greeks before them babylon ......before that there were jews there. Hashemmite kings are descendents of many of the children of Prophet..like the king of jordon..who were installed by prophet to make sure that Jerusalem be with Islamists. But the 6 day war changed it ....
"go and check what happened before Mohammad you KAFIR", stuff.
Sorry I got carried away. Though I could go on, but since you say you don't want me to talk about religion on this forum I will pause here.
But do take a look at the sunshine from the Sun and think about this ... in 50 or 500 years from now, if and when the sun, which is dying, and it is no longer able to provide the light and the energy that mankind needs to survive on Earth with, what will we do?
Yes, look at the sunshine from the Sun and think about traveling to the Sun ... it is great idea visually, but also very interesting psychologically. There is the question about what happens to your mind when you meet the creator of all things in the universe, which for some people is a spiritual, religious idea, but for others (like me) it is a purely scientific idea. We are all made up of particles of exploded star, so what would it be like to get close to the Sun, the star from which all the life in our solar system comes?
I think that is and will always be a huge mental challenge to try and understand and relive God.
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Saccha Hindustani on Jun 22, 2007 07:14 PM Permalink
cutlet gravvy vada pao, Before pointing your fingers check the history please.
Read this How ISREAL was created? Its CUNNING people like you who are repsposible for spreading disharmony and communal hatred.
The Ottoman Empire of the Turks ruled the area for centuries, until it was carved up in the aftermath of World War I. At that time the region called "Palestine" was made a British protectorate. There were already Jews and Arabs living in the region at that time. Recognizing the need for a Jewish homeland, the British promised to establish such a place in Palestine. Over the next few decades millions of Jewish refugees from Europe, Africa and neighboring Arab territories flocked to the ancestral homeland under British rule. The number of refugees greatly increased after World War II, when the number of displaced Jews was higher than ever, and the need for a Jewish homeland never more evident. By this time, however, Britain had already given up a large portion of its mandate to the Arabs. The area called "Trans-Jordan," i.e., the area "across the Jordan" river, was given up to become the Arab Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan. Only the narrow strip between the river and the Mediterranean remained for any Jewish Homeland. Still trying not to offend the Arabs, they partitioned this narrow strip even further into intertwined Jewish and Arab areas, and then withdrew from the area to let the Jews and the Arabs fight it out for themselves. The Arabs, backed by Jordan and other Arab st
Now it was from this very creed of Zoroaster that the Jews derived all the angiology of their religion...the belief in a future state; of rewards and punishments, ...the soul's immortality, and the Last Judgment -- all of them essential parts of the Zoroastrian creed.
"First, the figure of Satan, originally a servant of God, appointed by Him as His prosecutor, came more and more to resemble Ahriman, the enemy of God. Secondly, the figure of the Messiah, originally a future King of Israel who would save his people from oppression, evolved, in Deutero-Isaiah for instance, into a universal Savior very similar to the Iranian Saoshyant. Other points of comparison between Iran and Israel include the doctrine of the millennia; the Last Judgment; the heavenly book in which human actions are inscribed; the Resurrection; the final transformation of the earth; paradise on earth or in heaven; and hell."
Fundamentally the Jews were polytheists. But whatever its date, the idea of the covenant tells us that the Israelites were not yet monotheists, since it only made sense in a polytheistic setting. God stated that there are many gods: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me" (Exodus 20:3). The full monotheistic conception of God came later (Isaiah 43:10-13, Jer 10:1-16). Zorostrianism (6th century B C )precedes all other religions known to mankind.
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 08:24 PM Permalink
Cutlet Gravy
I dont want to talk on Religions in this forum but ...
I dont think Zorostrianism came before Jews.... Jews already exist before 6th century B C.it was their second temple time there were dead sea scrolls from that time. "Fundamentally the Jews were polytheists" You decided already went back in timemachine. Jews did worship other g_ds in the middle but their fore father did not...they were monotheists just because you see many similarities with Jews in Zorostrianism and you claim that Zorostrianism existed before Judaism Even Islam calims so ....
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 09:25 PM Permalink
Cutlet Gravy
You can claim anything... Islamist's claim They are first Hindus claim they are oldest. Now you seem to claim Zorostrianism is the oldest. I dont want to talk on this since i do not have a timemachine.. And i too do not have anything to prove that this g_d is true and that is false.
But
Regarding Isaiah there were Prophets before him...Infact Abraham is the Originator of Monoethism...who existed before Isiah before David before Moses.False g_ds existed before Abraham ..... Jews were exiled many times they had many enemies.. Are you saying that they acquired monoethism During the time of of Achaemenian Imperial Government's ... You can also say they might have acquired this idea from Egypt... You can go on...
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 06:33 PM Permalink
Saccha Hindustani See thats the problem with Islam...You talk KAFIR....this is your real face....n cover up with peace loving mask ha ha ha .... Take the name of Mohammad...i loathe to take his name....just for refrence i have taken it..like i take names of animals like dog n so on .. Regarding before the Terririst in chief occupied that land its was a peaceful place.
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Surya on Jun 22, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
Saccha Hindustani
I dont have any problem with Islam people.Infact they are good many times, but i really hate it when they justify killing in the name of religion.Muslims per se as humans i like them.I understand they are humans like any other who demand self respect but they should mind their own business instead of getting into other peoples religion and justifying it in the name of religion thats the thing which makes me think bad about Islam.
RE:Dr Singh's daughter
by Saccha Hindustani on Jun 22, 2007 06:52 PM Permalink
I wanted to see your real face Surya thats why I called your KAFIR..anyway it doesnt make anysense what i say or what you call Mohammad (S.A.W).
It just shows how entire world is fed up of growth of ISLAM nothing else!
RE:RE:Dr Singh\'s daughter
by Zahiruddin FaqirSyed on Jun 22, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
you Amrican dog, what do u know about the Islam, First read your duplicate verses of Bible, which was changed time to time, Islam is as pure as New Born child..if u want to know the Ideology of Islam, go and study Islam, read Holy Quran in English.. what do u know how many Amrican Christian has emberssed Islam after 9/11.
