I remember the story of Kanakadasa who was denied %u201Cdarshan%u201D of lord in udupi temple. Legend says that, kanakadasa went to behind the temple and meditated on lord, and diety turned around, and the walls cracked apart so kanakadas could have darshan. Our abhinava kanakadasa %u201CRavikrishna%u201D was not denied darshan, and a punyaham is a very normal process in a temple. I am not talking about temples outside Kerala. I am with the priest, may be he does not have the authority to deny the darshan to a believer, but certainly he has authority to do a little small, simple ritual called, punyaham in his temple, as per his belief which holds strongly, which he gained in all his life.
So called hindu believer, ravikrisha, so called devotee of Krishna, must also believe the words spoken by very Krishna,
sarva-dharman parityajya mam ekam saranam vraja aham tvam sarva-papebhyo moksayisyami ma sucah Bg 18-66
TRANSLATION Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.
When Krishna himself says to abandon all religions and castes, why we self proclaimed hindus, within hindus, brahmanas, kshatriya, with in that noth Indian, south Indian, with in that vaishnava, shaiva, are doing this petty squabbling on religion and beliefs?
I must say that, moment one says I am hindu, Brahmin, kshatriya and so on, that moment he is disqualified. He might get a certificate from Christian run congress govt, and atheis
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:43 AM Permalink
Perfect, now we are on same board!
What is required is the elevation of common Hindu, who goes to temples, and asks for good wives and good health, as if god is some kinda broker or doctor.
The knowledge must be shared, every indian (atleast sectation hindus) should have quest to know themselves! If Brahmin is superior that is because he knows more, and that very information is available today on asking!
RE:RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 01:03 AM Permalink
"If Brahmin is superior that is because he knows more, and that very information is available today on asking! "
Totally ridiculous dude. What does the brahmin know more?
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
Everything that u know and more! Only better. :)
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:58 AM Permalink
wheather you like it or not, these four castes always exists in all societies of world even in all kinds of human made religions like chirstianity and whatever! We can not pass a IPC amendment or bring a new bill to launch.
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 01:08 PM Permalink
Some things.
To my knowledge, the Vedas do not propogate the caste. THere are references, such as my father priest, my brother carpenter etc which indicate that varna system, if present was not so rigid.
Regarding Bhagwad Gita, Krishna says do your swadharm, natural duty. He also says that certain qualities are predominant and one should do ones job based on your predominant type. It uses the words - gunkarma, based on qualities and actions. Not on birth, and actions is also stressed.
So a person simply born in a Brahmin family does not in any way make him special. His innante qualities and actions are important.
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 12:56 AM Permalink
I dont see any non-Brahmins taking up Spirituality. I only see them drnking, smoking and hear them hanging out at strip joints.
RE:RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 01:23 AM Permalink
Some brahmins beleive they are all clean. Man check out the real world. Most of the look good at home but outside they are asbad as others.
Such brahmins are propogating bad concepts too. Secondly, a brahmin would teach music to people of other religions but not for people
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 01:32 AM Permalink
Hahaha...MORON! Are you related to 'Simply Human'?
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 12:04 AM Permalink
Your quotes on Baghavad Gita are not only incorrect but also dangerous and out of context! You cannot quote a verse from the final chapter. You need to understand the follow up to that verse.
Lord Krishna also says "Karamanya Eva Adhikarasche Ma Phale Tu Kadachana..." meaning never get attached to NOT doing your duty. Duty of Arjuna (swa-Dharma) was to fight since he is a Kshatriya.
So you just cannot suspend and reject all religions on the base of this Sloka.
Besides, Lord Krishna was telling Arjuna that inspeite of him saying all this he doesnt still get convinced then throw all religion and just surrender unto him
This is why you need to hear this in a Guru-parampara system. Dont just read some translation and offer your mis-quotes here. Please correct urself!
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 12:20 AM Permalink
Great! So you are supporting my theory. If u r not a devotee then why bother? If u r infact a devotee then you would know better. Your ignorance has given u up. You can read and memorize all u want but if you have not surrendered unto his Lotus Feet then what is the use?
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by on Jun 14, 2007 12:50 AM Permalink
Get real man. Chatur Varnam Maya Sristam was good for the earlier days when kngs ruled kingdoms. This is democracy and you cannot go like this
RE:Come on Hindus, Let us do a self examination
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 14, 2007 12:34 AM Permalink
Point is casteim is true and will prevail. However, that doesnt mean son of fisher woman cannot be a Brahmin.
Children born in pious Brahmin family naturally have access to spirituality and austerity. So instead of abolishing caste-system (BG: Chapter 4 - Chatur Varnam Maya Sristam...) one should understand his swa-Dharma and try to follow it.
