Not only in Guruvayur temple, but in most of the other temples in Kerala, non-hindus are not permitted. Even though non-believers are permitted to worship in church & mosque, they are not treated by the church-fathers & mullas as equal to christians & muslims. The issue of Kerala temples need not be seen in isolotion.After Independence, many progressive reforms were introduced in Hindu law. But, Indian muslims & christians were resisting reforms. Our Govts are afraid of introducing any reforms in minority's personal law. If somebody talks about Uniform Civil Code (UCC), it is branded as communal. Both Congress & Communists do not want UCC now. Let them dare to tell that Dr. Ambedkar, Nehru, Patel & others who were responsible for incorporating a provision for UCC as a directive principle in constitution were also communal.Why non-muslims are not allowed in Mecca & Medina; even for employment purpose. Why Catholic priests deny bread & wine to non-christians even though entry in church is given to them. Why christians & muslims appoint a woman-priest. Is it not a case of gender discrimination. The so called secularist does not want to discuss such matters. If anybody wants to discuss the matters of Hindus, they should be ready to talk about other religions also. But, their intention is not to cleanse the hindu society; only to create controversies to tarnish hindu image. This is possible because hindus are not united. Disunity is a crime everywhere.
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by prabancha RAMASWAMY on Jun 13, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
I fully agree with the points Mr. Pillai raised. Do these governments has the guts to show the same way they talk. Even I doubt the entry by Mr. Ravikrishna is politically motivated to show that in the next election Congress want to win, by getting votes from these kind of people who dont know the reality of the hinduism as well the rituals. Would the government and the socalled secular parties ready to post a rule that all are equal and no reservation is required, if they do so, they have the rights to talk about temples. Are these so called seculars ready to keep same of all temples, churchs and mosque and all religions are same, and rules are also same. They can, then why they cry for these kind of sensity matters where they cant take any action to club all religion into one.
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by Mambakkam Subramanian on Jun 13, 2007 09:56 PM Permalink
Every religion every God has certain laid down rues and regulations. Evangelism is the worst part of Christianity in that in most places at least those I havbe seen and heard their sermonising, three fourths of the time is spoent on denigrating other's Gods and religious practices and only one fourths in singing the praise of the Good Lord, His SDon and the Holy Ghost.
We only want that we shoud have the freedom to worship in our temples the way we want, not the way a Godless Marxist wants us to. The trhing is very simple. In this allegedly secular coutnry every state has a Hindu religious Bpoard or Devaswom Bpoard or some such organisation. But show me a Church or Mosque controlled by the Government and where the money gifted by the believer is looted and spent by all and sundry who do not believe in Hindu Gods. In Tamilnadu you have a Government of Rationalists , who are basically guys who are said to be folowers opf EV Ramasami Naicker. The same guys are appointed as the Minister of Hidu Religious Endowment Boards. I would like to hear the explanation for this from any pof the pseudo secualrists.
Tiruppathi Balaji Temple is one glaring example where crores and crores of money collected from Hindu religious faithfuls are spent on non-religious temporal causes. If the Government thinks that a University is necessary there why not build it from the taxes , why from the Tirupathi Balaji Hundi.
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by on Jun 13, 2007 10:03 PM Permalink
No government has the guts to hit on the minority vote bank because they are united. Hindu vote bak is a scattered one and it is the hindu ministers who take great pride in demolishing their reigion. Lets not blame the others. Ministers of governments belonging to the minority communities are for their welfare of their communities and hence the communities want to repay them by reelecting them always. The ministers belonging to the majority class do the appeasing work by kicking and creating problems to their own religion.
Secondly, Secular government means "for the minorities only" government.
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by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
John You are so full of contempt. what does Jesus have to say about this? Please enlighten.
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by on Jun 13, 2007 09:52 PM Permalink
John, do not talk about love and hate. If your religion is so safe and nice why did we have the serb war with so many muslims and christians perishing. I think this must be the right way.
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by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
If you have found the right way, follow it. Your statements do not creat love but only hatred and you know it. A holier than thou attitude is nothing but contempt. Jesus took away your the right to judge others. YOu have a lot to learn about Xanity
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by Anil Tandale on Jun 13, 2007 10:10 PM Permalink
Christianity was really so tolerant, that it violently driven away islam to keep fair skinned europe totally pure. Mr John and Mr Joshua pls read european history, before condemning hindus as hateful. We the Hindus of India wish to be as tolerant of Chritians of Europe, and also Islam of Arabian countries in their treatment of other religions, so that Hindus can live peacefully after centuries of slavery.
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by Abhilash nair on Jun 13, 2007 10:37 PM Permalink
Dear John, The problem with guys like you is that you have taken the words in bible at their face value little realising what they actually mean.You say christianity is non violent?let's see.It has spread all thru the world by sword and sword alone.Remember the aztec,inca and maya civilisations?remember a certain hernando cortez who killed 25000 innocent amerindians in one day by deceit to claim mexico for christ?Why the very phrase"power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolurely"was coined by francis bacon on the pope.All ur popes have involved themselves in petty politics.You christians have innocent blood in your hands.you think just beacuse you are a christian u will go to heaven not realising that you have to be good at heart too for that to happen.Because of u christians,people all around the world thought that world was flat and that sun rotated around teh earth.Being reborn,u say.u need it because u are full of hatred.wake up!!!!!!!!you suckers are in india beacuse of tolerance of hindus,u asses so called evangelists !!!!!!!!!!
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by on Jun 13, 2007 11:11 PM Permalink
Morons are in al religions. You also belong to the category to call a religios place a club or a hotel. I guess you should go to the best club and hotel- Muringoor divine center in chalakudy, kerala. They will drive your screws rightly and place you where you should be.
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by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:55 PM Permalink
Let ppl from other religions comment. If we believe we have the philosophical strength we can deal with them.
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by on Jun 13, 2007 09:58 PM Permalink
What makes yo think you are the only ones (christians)who have found the right way? Man you are cool.
Lets see if YOU have the guts to say that I do not believe in the temple and let us see the consequences.
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by PRADOSH on Jun 13, 2007 10:11 PM Permalink
The Muringoor divine center in chalakudy, kerala is more than like a a club n hotel now, philip can go there n get peace..
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by PRADOSH on Jun 13, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
If equal right to everyone then one more rule should be introduced, now a part of income from temple goes to govt, does this govt dare to introduce same system to x'tian n muslims ? if this kind law comes JOHN PHILIPS will keep mum ? The people of kerala know the kind of income with MURINGOOR, are they giving any report to govt ?
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by unni krishnan nair on Jun 13, 2007 09:59 PM Permalink
Christian churches and Mosques may keep their doors open for people of all religion. It is not because of the catholicity of these religions. Basically they are prosylitising religions. They have a history of playing all tricks available to swell their numbers. Budget for the next harvest of conversion, as Gandhi wrote in Harijan long back.
The Organised church and Mosques are conducting themselves more like amultinational corporations doing aggressive selling of their branded products. Selling of Jesus and Prophet Mohammed (PBUH) is their sole aim and for this they have to definitely keep the door open.
Whereas Hindu way of living (not religion) is not a prosylitising religion. Therefore it has no compulsion to keep its door open for all and sundry. But temples have to open its doors for the Hindu believers no doubt.
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by Simply Human on Jun 13, 2007 09:42 PM Permalink
What do u mean when you say "Disunity is a crime" ? what should be the punishment? Who will be the leader for everyone to follow?
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by on Jun 13, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
I feel PKV pillai has a good point. I do not think converting to christianity is the solution.
Secondly, please respect other religions too. Do not think you are of high birth because majority of the people in the world are christians.
By criticizing other religions you have just brought down yours to an abysmal level.
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by balakrishnan varrier on Jun 13, 2007 09:57 PM Permalink
I am an ardent devotee of Sree Guruvayurappan, the presiding diety of Guruvayur temple.In my childhood and until I left my village to Calcutta, I used to prepare garlands for the presiding diety in our village temple, wearing wet cloth after morning dip in the temple pond. we were not supposed to take even coffee prepared by mym mother in the house, before completing this job. It's called "sudham" and that was the custom in those days. No garland from outside was allowed to be taken to the sanctum sanctorum and put on the diety. Now people finish even breakfast before going for their temple duties. So also garlands for Kerala temples go from Coimbatore, Pollachi, etc. Many such things have changed in the social and religious life in Kerala. So the "punyaham" dictum can also change. But it has to be changed in the appropriate way and not in the street urchin talk style of Kerala Devaswom Minister Sudhakaran. Taking cue from you Mr.Pillai, I challenge the Sudhakarans and thousands of others to raise their fingers and voice against the Personal Law of Muslims and Christians. If the govt. can change religious laws of Hindus under the provisions of the Indian constitution, the same must apply for Muslim laws and Christian laws.
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by dhana r priya on Jun 13, 2007 10:50 PM Permalink
The current DMK Govt. in TN who are the so-called 'rationalists' following EV Ramaswamy have no faith only in Hindu Gods. They take every opportunity to denounce the Hindus and their Gods. But what do they do in Dec-Jan? They attend every Ramzan feast & partake the gruel(kanji) after the fast. Their 'rationalism' is only for the Hindus. Even in this, they do not have uniformity. The present CM Karunanidhi celebrated his 84th birthday on 3rd June and what do the followers do? They organise special pujas in temples for his long life!!! (Pujas in temple for one who doesnt believe in Hindu Gods, organised by members of DMK who are 'rationalist' followers of EVR!!!). In the same vein, each & every temple in TN comes under the HR&CE Dept of the Govt. of TN and the collections from the Hundis in these temples are appropriated by the Govt. Can this (or any other) Govt. dare to do this with the Mosques or Churches?(which receive the maximum foreign exchange for conversion - ref. 'Angels & Demons' by Dan Brown) There is absolutely no nadir to which these politicians will go to appease the minorities. I believe that the Communist Govt in Kerala has no right to interfere in the subject. The Devaswom is one of the few Boards that still maintain strict Hindu practices and this seems to be a concerted effort to weaken the institution per se. With regards to the other comments by Xtians in this string, I would just ask them to introspect if all is right with their religion before commenting
