If they keep on closing the doors of Hinduism to others and keep on discriminating and hating lower caste people then the day is not far when the Hindu religion will go extinct. Go to south India and see what I mean. These Tantris are bigots who are obsessed with their caste and give two hoots to India and Hinduism. Down with these foreign migrants who practice divide and rule and make India weak!
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:16 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human, for you the word community means only your own caste. For me the word community means the entire population of India. You have again proven my original point. Think about this. This is where BJP maar khaa gaya. Also, in the previous post you said the tantri is pure Brahmin and now you say as per Gita the Brahmin prays for the entire mankind, I don't see the tantri doing this. May be for him the entire mankind means only his caste! You castiest would have opposed Lord Krisha as well since he was born as an OBC (caste by birth), so don't try to act funny now since you have been exposed.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 03:29 AM Permalink
You dont see Tantri doing what? You want every Cow-slaughtering meat-eating non-believing Christian to let inside the Temple? Why blame the Brahmin Tantri when all he did was to follow the rules?
I forbid you to blaspheme Lord Krishna's name by caste. Since you are a Shudra dog (not my birth, just based on your guna) I no longer wish to carry out a conversation with you regarding Lord Krishna.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 05:00 AM Permalink
Disriminating based on belief is still discrimination. It's still wrong, morally and ethically, religiously maybe not. But ethics and morality are above religion. Some 40-50 years back, these tantris didn't even allow the OBC Hindus to go inside the temple, it was wrong then, it's illegal now. Also, your failure to even give an iota of though regarding Lord Krisha being born in a Yadava's womb shows a fanatic attitude. In Islams they say all non-belivers rot in hell. When people ask them is Mohammed's father, mother and grandparents rotting in hell (since they died before Islam was invented), the Muslims cooly refuse to even consider this scenario. Same as you ignoring the scenarios related to Krisha being born as a Yadava whom you have so condemned!
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 03:43 AM Permalink
Yes, I hate every non-bathing, filthy, ignorant, unclean, unintelligent, non-God conscious, meat-eating, alchohol drinking, prostituting, gambling Shudras in India. In the past, Shudras were kept under the stick because of their flithy character. They were stricly monitored and severly punished. That is why India was its best until the moghuls and Brits came.
You and your community need to be disciplined. India is now rules by Shudras from all quarters and no wonder India is still be a poverty stricken country. Even after proving reservation for 60 years your community doesnt climb the social ladder. It is a sorry state of affair!
By Shudras I mean by Guna and Karma (as stated in Baghavad Gita) not by birth. :)
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:37 AM Permalink
You have again proven my point! You heart is full of hate and bigotry. Krisha cannot definitely reside in such a heart! Here is a count of Shudras in India: 35 OBC, 20% SC 15 ST so now you hate 65% of Indians? That's why I called the tantri and his supporters bad for India.
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:02 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human your soul has been claimed by the dark side along with the Tantri's. The infinite, shapeless, formless God gives two hoots to two legged Humans like you trying to act superior. The kind and loving God long vacated your heart and the tantris to find kinder places to live.
RE:RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:51 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human thank you for opening your heart. Yuck, it's full of hate.
RE:RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Jas Sand on Jun 15, 2007 03:54 AM Permalink
Then why do the tantri guys still find reasons to descrimnate between Indians based on birth? ________________________________________________
He is disriminating it based on belief, not Birth! By default any born Hindu is allowed, in case of a Born Christian, he can declare himself a Hindu ( The temple Recognized Arya Samaj as the authority to ratify the declaration) and then enter the temple ...
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 04:11 AM Permalink
Kumar, in your argument, you want every unclean person to enter Lord Krishna's premises? I am merely stating the obvious. Lets get down to the core here.
I am not saying that people from other castes should not be visting the Temple. I am merely stating that the Tantri knows better because he follows the Vedic Scriptures.
There are three types of Karmas - Akarma, Vikarma and Karma. ViKarma is stricly forbidden in the Vedic Scriptures. Tantri is merely implementing that. What is wrong with that?
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 03:51 AM Permalink
Jas Sand, you cannot talk sense into racist idiots like Kumar. You think you are going to make any difference by talking to him? He is already covered in maya.
Atleast, Im trying to have fun here so next time he writes some BS, he will think twice.
RE:RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 04:03 AM Permalink
Jas Sand, disriminating based on belief is still discrimination. It's still wrong, morally and ethically, religiously maybe not. But ethics and morality are above religion. God is not the truth but the truth is the God.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 12:49 AM Permalink
Inadvertently Human, come on now. You are talking like the Tantri and proving my point about making India weak.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
Where did u find that I am from Arabia? Lord Krishna says in Baghavad Gita "AnArya Jushtam ashwayrgyam akiritkaram Arjuna" meaning "Dont act unAryan Arjuna". So is Lord Krishna dn Arjuna from Arabia too? Mahabharat took place 5000 years ago. We now have evidences in the form of lost city of Mathura etc.
So your father Max Muellers "Aryan-invasion theory" has gone bye-bye. It has been removed from international academics following overwhelming evidences against it.
Perhaps your un/underdeveloped brain still cant contemplate on the fact that the fellow who smoked you in high shcool and college has actually had a significant history.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Priya Binu on Jun 15, 2007 02:37 AM Permalink
Hey, People please let the people stick to their beliefs and move forward.If so nobody gets hurt.Dont try to introduce another issue like Ayyodya.Why we need violate the beliefs from years old? We have so many other solids issues to solve.Be Aware Global Warming is at your doors.Do something helpful to mankind.If Media ignores this kind of news and introduces something really worth, that would be appreciated.Please think about something else than religion.Religion is meant for getting peace of mind.Dont turn it like a mankind destructor.All ready we have enough experience from these kind of discussion.So ignore this, and understand this is not a issue of a society,state or country.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 02:52 AM Permalink
I agree and disagree with u at the same time. We need to understand our history to move forward into the future. At present Indians worldwide suffer from massive post-colonial inferiority complex which can only be eradicated by shedding light on our glorious past called 'Vedic Civilization'.
Westerns have a problem that they cannot go beyond anything that they dont see or cant hear. Heck, they were under the assumption that the world is flat until the 15 or 17th century. In Baghavad Gita Lord Krishna says "I am the atom among atoms" and explain the concept of space-time by descibing the day-night aspect of Brahma and Yugas.
If we understand our history, it will help us zoom into the future with the knowledge that WE ARE infact a superior civilization.
Building shiny IT companies and having McDonald's is fine...but is that what we should be following?
For global warming, India doesnt even come close in contributing in the production of green house gases compared with these developed nations...
The case in point is simple. Non-believers should not be permitted if and only if it is a Temple custom. In this case, leftists, congress and libreal media is out to destroy what is remaining in Sanathan Dharma.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 01:33 AM Permalink
Following points to the tantri's (and yours) Arab background: 1) Indian Brahmins put a holy thread around them, well, so did the ancient Persians (and that too much before the Indian Brahmins). 2) Indian Brahmins worshipped the 5 elements of nature including 'holy fire' so did the ancient Persians (and that too much before the Indian Brahmins). 3) The language of the Indian Brahmins is very close to that of the ancient Persians. 4) Indian Brahmins distinctly look like Arabs compared to other castes. 5) Like Persians they deny their true ancestry and imagine themselves to be Aryans. 6) Like so many middle eastern people the Brahmins claim that they are God's chosen people.
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by Jas Sand on Jun 15, 2007 01:44 AM Permalink
If you visit your home state AP,
1. Even the Goldsmiths wear the holy thread 2. Even the Indian NOn Brahmins worshipped the 5 elements of the nature 3. Indian Brahmins speak all the 20 odd Indian Languaes and so do Non Brahmins 4. Many of the North Indians irrespective of the caste look like arabs 5. The aryan theory has died its death - it has been proved there is no race such as aryan 6. Didn't Laloo Prasad Yadav claim he was the chosen one? Is he a Brahmin?
If you want to argue, argur with solid reasoning dude - not these points that dont make any sense!
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:30 AM Permalink
Jas Sand, here are my responses: 1. Even the Goldsmiths wear the holy thread -- Copy cat of the Brahmins. 2. Even the Indian NOn Brahmins worshipped the 5 elements of the nature.
My point is poeople who pretent to maintain their racial purity by supporting caste system are only doing so as a result of their Arab culture. Bigorty and obsession about ones' ancestry is in the blood and soul of the Arabs. -- Yes, but Brahmins are more middle eastern than the rest of India. As you go down the caste hierarchy go become more and more Indian and less and less middle eastern. 3. Indian Brahmins speak all the 20 odd Indian Languaes and so do Non Brahmins -- In North India yes, in south India no. 4. Many of the North Indians irrespective of the caste look like arabs -- Again who looks more and who looks less like the arabs. India is a racial mix with the ones with least race mixing (the pure Arabs) at the top. 5. The aryan theory has died its death - it has been proved there is no race such as aryan -- Then why do the tantri guys still find reasons to descrimnate between Indians based on birth? 6. Didn't Laloo Prasad Yadav claim he was the chosen one? Is he a Brahmin? -- He is as evil as the tantri and so is Mayavati, Karunanidhi, Advani and Sonia, in fact almost all politicians.
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by Jas Sand on Jun 15, 2007 03:49 AM Permalink
-- Copy cat of the Brahmins. ------------------------------
So you agree that Brahmins are not the only ones who wear the thread and it has nothing ot do with Persia
My point is poeople who pretent to maintain their racial purity by supporting caste system _______________________________________________
Everybody in India promotes the caste system not just one community
In North India yes, in south India no. ______________________________________
In South India you find Brahmins speakign Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Konkani, Tulu and even Koorgi
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 01:53 AM Permalink
Excellent reasoning Jas Sand! Amazingly, Kumar has decided that Brahmins are the evil ones and dangerous to the society. What ignorance!
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by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:59 AM Permalink
Jas Sand:
"SO LET THE ISSUE BE ON THE PEOPLE WHO INSULT OTHERS BY VIRTUE OF THE CASTE! "
-- Yes Jas Sand, that is the crux of the issue. Caste base discrimination is the bane of India.
So you agree that Brahmins are not the only ones who wear the thread and it has nothing ot do with Persia
-- No Jas Sand, Brahmins started wearing the thread first since they did that even in Persia. Rest of the India followed suit. In the early part of 20th century many Yadavs in UP and Bihar got slaughtered when they attempted to start wearing the thread. Eventually they were able to do so but after loosing many lives (frankly speaking it was a stupid thing to do but then in yesterday's India they didn't allow people to get an education).
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Everybody in India promotes the caste system not just one community
--- Yes but to varying degree. Who are the most rabid defenders of this system, obviously the people at the top. But caste system needs to be dismantled to save India.
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In South India you find Brahmins speakign Telugu, Tamil, Malayalam, Kannada, Konkani, Tulu and even Koorgi --- That's after the Mughal and British rule. Even in south India the Hindu religious texts are in Sanskrit and not Telgu or Kannada.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 15, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
Brahmins dont claim to be superior or intelligent or God's chosen men.
We just want to be left alone and live our life. I am a Brahmin and I love my country as much as you do. I studied in the similar school as u and ate same food. On what basis are you calling my community evil?
Have you seen any brahmin involved in violence or looting or raping? Has any Brahmin ever did anything to u? So what is the point of all these baseless hatred?
Just because I chant Vedic mantras, live a civilized life as stated in the Vedic Shastras, you chose to hate a particular community of people.
How is that fair? Remember, you started this conversation by blindly accusing Brahmins. All I am saying is, look at him as a knowledgeable person who is simply following his books. Would you find fault with your professor for doing his job by giving u a bad grade.
Unfortunately, from where I stand, you are the one who is dangerous to India. Not I and definitely not my community.
RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by NK on Jun 15, 2007 11:45 AM Permalink
Brahmins are the most selfish people you can ever see. They go to any extent to get what they want by manipulating the system. They are quite incompetent and just take umbarage under rules to justify the ills they mete out to others. Useless folks, were the ones who advised divide and rule to the British. Who sold out our country, who continue to do so in various positions. In short a highly manipulative and incompetent lot who are unable to see the changing order in the Nation. This tantri looks silly, look at his mindset, if he can do this to a central minister, how would he be treating his servants. Disgusting. Such people bring disgrace to the community and this is where all hatered commences from. His arrogance in front of a childs innocence will not stand. May be Guruvayurappan has taken this avatar to instill sense in the minds of such people to cut them to size.
RE:RE:Why do the Tantris hate India and Hindusim?
by Kumar on Jun 15, 2007 03:50 AM Permalink
Jas Sand I am not a racist, I am merely against inequality and injustice in the Indian societry and as a matter of fact in any society. Please read Inadvertently Human's other posts and decide for yourself as to who is a racist. God only save India from Inadvertently Human and his ilks who have an iron grip on the country, but times are changing, thanks to education.
