Hi, I am an ardent Guruvayoorapan devotee and visit the temple as often as I can. I don't agree with the views of the tantri that he is basically following the rules set by Adi Sankara. If rules exists which discriminate a person because of his religion, it should be abolished. I would suggest that devasom board which governs the temple should change the rules. The concept of a someone becoming a head tantri just because he was born in a particular family should also be abolished. We as a society have inherited the traditions from past when untouchability was practiced in open . Since then we have come a long way and the rules governing the temple should also be changed.
As a matter of fact, the tantries themselves are no longer morally or ethically clean as they were generations ago. They have also moved with the times and engage in all immoral activities which are against the rules of performing priestly duties. Recently the head tantri of Sabrimala temple was caught in a prostitute house in Ernakulam and was blackmailed to part with huge amounts of cash. The said tantri was ready to part with lakhs of money demanded by the blackmailers and the prostitute until he was persuaded by someone in his family not to do it and file a police complaint. The tantri was arrested and as usual he must have bribed the officials to get out of it. The point is you can imagine what sanity his children or his future generations have to perform puja in Sabrimala temple.
RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Subramaniam Dharmarajan on Jun 06, 2007 01:14 AM Permalink
Excuse me sir... I guess you were wrong and not the tantri. You have no right to say that Non hindus can enter Hindu temples. Hindu temples are places of worship and not tourist places. This is not practised properly in other parts of India. In kerala, they practise it properly. Whats wrong in that? If some non hindus believe in Hindu gods, then let them get converted to Hinduism and enter the temple. And moreover Guruvayoorappan temple is not public property for everyone to decide on who should be the next tantri. Nobody asked your opinion on this. Its run my devaswom and they have the right to decide. You as a devotee should be happy that you are allowed to see and pray Lord Guruvayoorappan. Then also dont use this forum to pass on rubbish messages about other tantris. Talking or discussing out of the topic shows the true picture of yourself. Here the topic is about what the tantri did and if it was correct. The tantri did what he is supposed to do. So he was right.
RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Sanjay Bhashyam on Jun 06, 2007 02:13 AM Permalink
I don't need intro fm you on Kerala temple practices. I am Keralite Hindu and an ardent devotee. The difference is that you are a hypocrite and I am not. You talk about Devaswom board being allowed to manage temples, without realizing that devaswom board members are political appointees who are appointed by politicans like Vayalar Ravi. Old age kerala temple practices like not wearing shirt, no trousers allowed inside temple are not relevant today. Every practice need to change with the times. Take the example of Tirupathi temple, they have changed with the times and have implemented technology which helps devotees have a peaceful darshan. Monopolistic practice of tantri coming from a household need to be abolished, there should be a defined criteria where all Hindus should be allowed to compete. I am a Brahmin, so don't get me wrong. Otherwise you would have a situation like the tantri from Sabrimala. Any situtation where you take things for granted without any accountability leads to abuse and that is what happened with the Sabrimala's tantri.
So think logically about it. Don't join the gang of hypocrites in this thread who don't have any concern about preserving Hindu legacy other than talking about how other religion are sabotaging Hinduism. Allowing practices like punyaham is playing into hands of people who are bent on destroying Hinduism.
RE:RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Seven Maniacs on Jun 06, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
Hi. I have two basic disagreements. One is the premise that with times we need to change practises. Now this is a generalization for which you are quoting tirupathi and its technological innovations. Now here is an administrative practise that has been introduced for ocnvenience and the religious practise is what is under scanner in the Gur. example. The second is a very dangerous premise.. that of lack of faith in the tantri. Now you are assuming that just because he could be a political appointment he is certainly 'not good enough'. Atleast that's what i understood from your arguments. I think we need to trust the judgements of people somewhere. Reforms are indeed the nee of the hour... but not at the cost of religion. Who decides - thats always been the problem. Let the scriptures decide whenever there is such conflict. Subject matter experts need to debate this not in public ofcourse.
RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 06, 2007 02:20 AM Permalink
Abe aa...You dont quit do u? You think you are cute by asking crappy questions?
We dont need anyone new to be a Hindu. Hinduism is the oldest, eternal and transcendental. Only ur mohammed wants recruitment.
RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Radhakrishnan V on Jun 06, 2007 12:32 AM Permalink
on, just because tantri did what he was supposed to, do not generalise and brand all tantris as immoral. Even when you had raised the Sabarimala Tantri issue, do you know for sure what happened?
This is why India is pseudo secularist. IF a non Hindu is not allowed inside a temple, everyone starts bashing Hinduism.
Just because Hinduism does not believe in spreading Hinduism, it has become a sitting duck. Try raise your voice against any other religion's practise and immediately you will be called a "fascist" or zionist" or what not
Come on, if the chief priest has done his duty what is wrong? If Temple authorities and/or court thinks that non Hindus can be allowed, that is also welcome too.
As long as the rule stands that non Hindus cannot enter temple, there is nothing wrong in what Tantri did
RE:Tantri is Wrong
by Inadvertently Human on Jun 06, 2007 12:37 AM Permalink
No one besides Brahmins and other upper caste seem to care about Hinduism anymore. Thats why all the politicians and oppurtunits are form middle and lower castes and they just want to pour sand over their own head.
