The Minister is Justified.The temple trust had no rights to Insult him publicly.Time again we have seen that no individual is inferior to other.Each varna has its own job to do & respect each others job.We had a great tradition of doing so in past, but we stopped this & lead to rot of social order which lead us into slavery fo 1400 years,yet we do not realise that we should let go these stupid practices which are unjustified by any Shastra or Veda for that matter.These are all part of a political restructuring of soceity which has led us to our downfall.
RE:Minister is Justified
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 04:24 PM Permalink
So go tell your church to stop with the primitve practice of not allowing a catholic to marry a non-catholic in a church, and to not recognize such marriages as valid, unless the non-catholic partner converts. Isn't that a primitive, backward that the marriage of a christian to a non-christian is seen as not being valid by the church. Similarly, a christian cannot be buried in the church uunless he or she has formally been baptised? isn't that primitive? And the idea that one who has not been baptised (dunked in the water) is not a true christian, and will burn in the flames of hell - is that not primitive?
The same is true of muslims - a muslim cannot marry a non-muslim unless the non-msulim partner converts to islam. Isn't this outright discrimination?
So, get to work Mr. Anthony - you have plenty of work to do to reform christianity. Let the hindus solve their own problems. You go solve yours - there are plenty of issues in chrstianity bthat need attention/reformation!
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by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Constitution has created a federal structure called state & rules to govern it called laws.So we need to understand that as a civil soceity this is absolutely uncalled for that by Law if a person is Hindu you purify a temple to insult him.Moreover I was not talking of Christianity or Hinduism, I was talking of Soceity & Nation as a whole.
RE:Minister is Justified
by Vas on Jun 05, 2007 04:41 PM Permalink
Denying the marriage of a chrsitian to non-christian is NOT an insult to the marriage partners and their families? The purification is THAT particular temple's rule - not all temples follow that practice. ALL churches on the other hand will not allow a church wedding for christian marrying a non-christian, unless the nonchristian has been formally conveted. Is THAT NOT an insult?
You worry about the state of nation because of the practices of a few temples in India, but are not concerned about the fate of the country by the discriminatory practices of ALL the churches in India.
Thank you for showing yourself up to be a biased christian.
RE:Minister is Justified
by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 05:34 PM Permalink
So who's Praising/advocating those practices.I do not practice that kind of discrimination in my life.I believe in follwoing best practices of all good books & I find the constitution to be the best book(not those stupid ammendments carried out by crooked politicians).Is that worng?If no, then YES I am biased towards a constitution & no harm done to you by I being a christian.
RE:Minister is Justified
by on Jun 06, 2007 06:53 AM Permalink
but you are tottally wrong!
This is just a publicity stunt by Minister... he is a dirty politician.. we all know that in kerala.. Look at his interview.. he is a mindless guy.. what ever he compares to hinduism doesn;t make sense.. he has no clue what he is talking about..
I did not understand how our traditions led us to 1400 years of slavery.
I thought barbarians came here to plunder the rich and prosperous Indian society.
I thought Columbus, Vasco da Gama and several others were dying to find sea routes to India, because India at that time was equivalent to today's India.
I did not understand how our traditions led us to 1400 years of slavery.
I thought barbarians came here to plunder the rich and prosperous Indian society.
I thought Columbus, Vasco da Gama and several others were dying to find sea routes to India, because India at that time was equivalent to today's America.
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by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:28 PM Permalink
You may not control someone els's intention but you can defend yourself.We as a soceity were divided hence enslaving us became an easy task.I have already said in my first comment that these divisions led to our downfall, so in principle I agree to you claim that yes we were a very prosperous Nation.
RE:Minister is Justified
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 04:02 PM Permalink
Mr Antony, Often missionaries hide their hate by subscribing to a missionary/utilatirian/colonial view of 18th century that it was inevitable that India needed to be colonized and civilized. These people have different opinions on other regions, where they find bravery, sacrifice, defense etc.
The downfall is because of attack by the invaders.
RE:Minister is Justified
by biz Narayan on Jun 05, 2007 04:18 PM Permalink
You got to read what they did to native systems. How they used their power to instigate people against native systems, links among native languages.... and used outdated european ideas to trash india.
RE:Minister is Justified
by George Abraham on Jun 05, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
I heard that they are against native systems such as 'sati','untouchability',etc. They have done a lot of service not only to the people but also to Indian languages. Have you heard of "Constantino Joseph Besky" who changed his name to "Veerama Munivar" due to his love towards Tamil lanaguage? Do you know that missionaries have done literature work in Tamil language? Have you heard of missionaries who fought against untouchability that prevailed in the then Travancore kingdom? Do you know how many schools were run by missionaries due to which many people including hindus become literates? Do you know most of the churches were run as schools in weekdays? Do you know upper-caste people did not allow women of so-called low-caste to wear decent dresses? Brahmins like you can never understand this instead you guys will simply blame that missionaries are converting, converting. Whatever you think, we are second to none only because of christian missionaries. Wherever missionaries serviced there you can see less litteracy rate. Education is the greatest service one can do to the human beings. Unfortunately that was not done by then educated brahmins but fortunately we got it through missionaries. We are always greatful to missionaries. They are next to God.
RE:Minister is Justified
by KA Antony on Jun 05, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Well Mr. Narayan I agree that invaders attacked us.Remember that Britishers could not win because they were a superior force neither could moghuls rule because of a huge Military, It was all because we were divided.These imperial forces fanned those fissures & hardened them to the extent that a weak soceity was formed & then subjugation & ruling/exploitation was always easy.As far as missionaries are concerned I am very well aware what they do.There aim anyway is worldwide Proselytisation, so least talked about them better it is.I may be a Christian & Keralite but I am not a marxist turn blind eye to the culture of my land.I understand that whatever I am,is due to motherland & its grace.So take my arguments in proper perspective.I am just trying to convey the unecessarily intorduced inequality is killing this nation.
