'Sar Salamat toh pagadi pachas', forget about Idiot George Bush and Murkh Laden, live life, the life offers us much more. Do not carry the burden of past, start the life fresh.Every Asian and African has to work more than the rest of the world, and be satisfied with much less than the developed world. No religion ask for revenge, it demands for reasoning. Move away from logical reasoning, life may become pitless bottom. Stand for your right, but undermining common people's right to live and carry on with a normal life in any part of the world as a counter offencive political movement will not serve any purpose. The activist may isolate themselves, that is what the power lobby who is ruling the world wants. This takes away active youth who can create a political forum to democratise the world. It is a waste of a generation.
RE:Haneef
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 28, 2007 11:28 PM Permalink
On, there is saying in Hindi " sattar chuhe kha kar billi haz ko challi" . I think your sermon fit into this saying. When muslim were powerful they killed, raped and destroyed everything of non believers and when they have become weak due to invent of technology they are talking of peace! I feel same was done by Mohumad also when he made a treaty with macca or madina to buy time
If muslim donot discuss their religion and Prophet and also donot condemn the satanic verses their sincerety cannot be trusted
RE:Haneef
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 28, 2007 11:52 PM Permalink
Krishnan, Pl donot resort to their level. It can be proved easily that lot of objectionable things are written in Quran and mohumads preaching are unacceptable in civilised society
RE:Haneef
by Asrar Alam on Jul 28, 2007 11:54 PM Permalink
every hindu is talking that islam was spread by force. can i ask were the hindus so timid and weak in their belief that they accepted it. ok why can't they make muslim again hindu even if they are powerful now? can any hindu answer it?
RE:Haneef
by KC on Jul 29, 2007 12:06 AM Permalink
yes mr Asrar , I can if it done by force many may be seem following the ruler. in todays time i can give you example of USA. isnt Paki following USA ???? what is your take on that ... is Pakistan timid or just flowing with the tide to get maximum benefit out of this situation...
I think this might explain you...otherwise think of still 100 cr. Hindus who did not convert despite aurangzeb and Nadir Shah
RE:Haneef
by krishnan js on Jul 29, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
Abe kafir Asrar dekte jaa.Waqt aa gaya hai Insaano me janwaron (not all Muslims only the 5 sense people) ka DIN aa gaya hai.The counting has begun.
RE:Haneef
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 29, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
Asrar, Hindu donot believe in conversion. We say that every way of worship is acceptable. God is one and to reach to it are mny path and all are equally good.
It is our strength as well as weakness. It is a great strength when one is living in a civilised society but it is a great weakness when one is encountering a intolerant religion like Islam.
Islam doesnot allow apostate( change of Faith) and punishment for the same is DEATH. Now there is lot of awakening among Hindus and in future you will see the home coming.
RE:Haneef
by Samira Khan on Jul 29, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
the first message that Islam brought was of Justice and universal brotherhood. have you ever observed muslims in prayer ?. they all stand before their lord shoulder to shoulder, because before the lord there is no one greater or smaller, everyone is equal in his sight.there was a study done last year which conclusivley proves that muslims in India are upper caste converts by analysing the mitrochondial DNA which is the most accurate way of finding DNA fingerprints.
yes we were hindus before we converted to Islam because we found something good and just, and by the way Islam found a way in the hearts of people in Oman that is why 95-98% of the population there are muslim.the same is the case in Kashmir many people still have their suffix as Pandit, there is nothing wrong in it
RE:Haneef
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 29, 2007 12:12 AM Permalink
Then beliver and non belivr must also be equal. Why your Prophet was so harsh with non beliver and so merciful with faithful that he promised 72 Horries (vergins) to them even after death
RE:RE:Haneef
by Vinay Gupta on Jul 29, 2007 12:14 AM Permalink
It is a news to me. Till date u people keep telling that it was because of inequallity in Hindus which made lower cast to embrace Islam. Now u say that most of converts are upper cast!
RE:RE:Haneef
by Samira Khan on Jul 29, 2007 12:27 AM Permalink
Principal component analysis (PCA), a statistical tool that separates individuals on the basis of differences in their properties was employed to place each social group on a plot. According to this plot Shias and Sunnis are much closer to Brahmins, Bhargavas, and tribals from Karnataka than people from UAE, Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and or Central Asian countries. PCA generated a plot that showed three clear clusters- Souther Arabian Peninsula, North East African population in upper left quadrant, East Central Asian and Middle Eastern group in the lower right hand corner, and all Indian groups can be found closer to each other to the right.
The scientific paper detailing this study is going to be published by the American Journal of Physical Anthropology. Dr. Razi Raziuddin who is a scientist at the prestigious National Cancer Institute in Maryland, USA and have read the paper believes that study conclusively proves that "majority of Muslims in North India are upper caste converts" which disproves the propaganda carried out by the Sangh Parivar that Indians were forced to convert to Islam. If this was the case Dr. Raziuddin argues we would not have seen Muslims genetically so close to Brahmins and other upper caste groups.
The study conclusively proves that Indian Muslims are part of the genetic landscape of India. According to the paper "our results demonstrate that the mtDNA haplogroup M is present in the Indo-Shia and the Indo-Sunni Muslims at a frequency of 50-60
RE:RE:Haneef
by Samira Khan on Jul 29, 2007 12:24 AM Permalink
Vinay, the article for you Indian Muslims are as Indian as Brahmins or any other social group according the findings of genomic studies of northern Indian Muslims. This gives credence to the long held views of historians that Muslims in India are descendants of local populations who converted to Islam.
The study was collaboration by Florida International University, Spanish Universidad de Vigo, and Sanjay Gandhi Postgraduate Institute of Medical Sciences in Lucknow. Mitochondrial DNA which is passed from mother to children is a preferred way for establishing descent of a person.
The study looked at the genetic composition of mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) of Sunnis and Shias of UP. Blood samples from 60 Sunnis and 59 Shias volunteers were taken for this study. Their mtDNA was analyzed for specific genetic markers. Frequencies of the presence of these markers were compared to various groups in India and other countries.
While there are some differences among Sunnis and Shias in terms of their mtDNA, in general they found to be closer to the larger Indian population.
Principal component analysis (PCA), a statistical tool that separates individuals on the basis of differences in their properties was employed to place each social group on a plot. According to this plot Shias and Sunnis are much closer to Brahmins, Bhargavas, and tribals from Karnataka than people from UAE, Yemen, Egypt, Iran, Iraq, and or Central Asian countries. PCA generated a plot that showed three
RE:Haneef
by on Jul 29, 2007 12:36 AM Permalink
1. people like u r anti-human. 2. people like u have 1 point agenda of creating rift amongst societies. 3. people like u should b referred to guantanamo bay 4 thorough
investigations of mind set 4 its anti-life credentials 4. u have massacred jains, budhists to mask their cultures & imposed
and painted ur own instead. 5. u killed shudras in past & continue to do the same u raped, burnt
down and slaughtered sikhs so ruthlessly in 1984, u murdered by
burning down stains & his so very innocent young kids so cold
bloodedly, u did the same to muslims several times & more recently in
gujarat, it was nice to see memons meeting their due fates for what
they did but it would have been more satisfying to see the offenders of
all these heinous crimes against humanity be held accountable & meet
their fates in similar fashion, or else justice would be half done. 6. people like u r hard cored criminals who have been trying to slay the
human nature of human by proving themselves nationalist, chauvinist
or religious. 7. ur kind of mind is nothing but a psychiatric curiosity to be
investigated and severely punished. u r one of like of osama laden or
dara singh, a rakshasa indeed. 8. u dirty hole, u would find our own religion full of atrocities on
weaker sections by upper castes in the name of religion, which
basically originated to establish the superiority of upper caste over its
RE:Haneef
by Samira Khan on Jul 29, 2007 12:20 AM Permalink
go and see in the coast of caspian sea there is a temple existing for the past 600 odd years, there are no hindus living in the area for more than 300 odd years in living memory but muslims in iran have left it as it is.so much for your militant islam
