Why my messages r reported for Abuse. The topic under ISLAM. It is relevant to this debate and i have not abused anyone. Mr. Sayyed quoted from the Quran and I have seeked clarifications. He is unable to answer and reports for abuse.
What r the Moderators in Rediff doing - Sleeping????
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by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
vikas pls repeat them will u ?the moderator will always side with minority i have observed whenever a right question is asked he will never diasble report abuse
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
dude, went through your messages which are reported as abuse..excellent question.valid one..which muslims shud answer ??... Dont worry they will neither answer you nor will accept the mistakes on their side..
A dictorial caste which wants to shout that they are the best in the world which is not true..to come out fm their inferiority complex they start giving these kind of blast in US UK australia and a permanent trouble to india
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
U r right Vijay. This is the problem. They say Islam is superior but do not know how. They quote and when u reply, they begin to abuse and report for spam. They just cannot debate. They r trained that way to believe whatever is said is truth. Do not question Quran and Mohammad. They r blind followers without logic and then they say Quran is scientific.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:23 PM Permalink
A stone is a stone. When Quran says no idols, why is it being kissed at Kaaba. It is absolutely contradictory. And Mohammad himself contradicted himself.
And what about the second question about going round the Kaaba 7 times. This is what Hindus do in temples. How is it different?
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by Kaz King on Jul 30, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
To non-Muslims, please understand that the stone was once kissed by Prophet Muhammad, and to us Muslims, it is sacred. Same reason as why the Christians eat the bread that symbolises the body of Christ, and same reason why Hindus believes the mouse is Ganesha%u2019s avatar. It%u2019s not logic (how could an elephant ride a tiny mouse, how could a bread signify the body of Christ, and how could a stone be of such significant). They are just symbolism.
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by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on Jul 30, 2007 02:43 PM Permalink
But on the same length you also say there should not be any symbolic representation of God either in the form of Idol or some other form! Just accept you cant answer!
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:35 PM Permalink
People r watching & let them deduce their own conclusion. U only abuse bcoz u cannot defend. The analogy of a frog suits u fine. Rather than move forward u move backwards.
And yes... we do not spread our religion or convert people to our religion. We r in 1 country but r more than enough for those spread across 20 countries.
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by CHORA CHICHORA on Jul 30, 2007 01:57 PM Permalink
as you said you are more than enough for those spread across 20 countries...in what way you are talking about ...interms of money,power,population,dignity,respect?
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
RE:RE:Islam by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 12:51 PM U have not clarified the point but r going round the bush. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Chapter 56, Tradition No. 675].This is exactly what I am pointing out. I have quoted from ur quotes. Why did Mohammad kiss the black stone when idol worship is banned.
U mention of the circumambulation round the Kaaba and everyone knows it. But again where in quran is it mentioned to run around the kabba 7 times and that this is pleases Allah??? Please help me in the verses bcoz u have been quoting from the Quran. Give the verse. and do not report this for abuse if u r sincere.
U r coping from some website all the quotes abou t Islam. When I ask you to clarify, u run away from the board and report for abuse. It is clear u have nothing to say on this.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Stop giving lame excuses and show decency. Rather than abuse just about everyone without reason, I would call upon u to show some class. If for nothing else then at least for the parents who have brought u up.
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Aug 08, 2007 10:39 PM Permalink
It is better Muslims stop saying Hindus idol worshippers if they are justified that kaaba is not worshipped.
These are symbolic and help concentrate on a single purpose of focussed worship or allegiance to the Creator to whom they are grateful, Hindus, Muslims....or any body.
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by Kaz King on Jul 30, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
Muslims kiss the stone because the prophet did. and the prophet is the perfect example for muslims and god commanded the muslims to follow and obey the prophet. we trust the prophet. the black stone is believed to be originating from heaven, so, out of respect for the stone and trust in the prophet, we kiss it.
if muslims had worshiped the stone, umar wouldn%u2019t have said that the stone is just a stone and couldn%u2019t benefit nor harm us. this is because it is considered blasphemy when saying tis about something you worship.
we pray towards mecca because god commanded us to. sure, mecca had been holy since before muhammad because the first person who built it was abraham.
is it wrong to do things the prophet did if god says he%u2019s the perfect example for muslims?
and like my above comment of the bread and jesus%u2019s body. i believe it%u2019s called eucharist? eating the eucharist doesn%u2019t mean they%u2019re worshiping it.
the hajar-ul-aswad is just a piece of stone. it doesn%u2019t have the power to benefit or harm people. God has all those power, but not the stone.
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by vimal bhasin on Jul 30, 2007 11:40 PM Permalink
Mr King, I appreciate ur honest response. We all understand that it is not possible to clarify everything in Religion. But when some uninformed muslims start abusing, it needs to be countered.
What Vikas has pointed out is an abberation in Islam. We do not intend to belittle ur religion. But as u respect ur religion, we respect ours.
Btw, pls be informed that the black stone that Vikas refers to is believed to be the Shiv Ling of Hindus. If you observe it carefully, it resembles it.
Believe it or not is your choice. Hindus never have spread their religion and never will.It gives a lot of freedom to everyone. It has survived more than 10000 yrs without promotion and will last till eternity.
U have ur beliefs and we have ours. Respect ur beliefs. Do not just say ur beliefs r superior and we must adhere to them. The Ultimate truth is no one has seen GOD. We say all Gods r same they r only called by different names. There is no need to fight & kill over him.
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by anil on Jul 30, 2007 06:39 PM Permalink
it was not god it was prophet who commanded if i am correct in interpretation bcos if god had commanded similarly he could have revealed the wisdom to all and not just to prophet mohhammad can anybody clarify on this why allah diidnt reveal himself to all when he could command all to obey
