RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
Suppose an experienced teacher, before the final examinations, predicts that a particular student will fail in the exams, since the student is very mischievous, not attentive in class and does not do his homework. If after the student appears for the examination, he fails, who is to be blamed for the student failing: the teacher or the student? Just because the teacher predicted, it does not mean that the teacher is to be blamed but the student himself is responsible for his failure.
Similarly Allah (swt) knows in advance that there are some people who are bent on rejecting the faith and Allah has put a seal on their hearts. Thus these non-Muslims themselves are responsible for rejecting the faith and not Allah (swt).
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Traditionally Muslims have treated other religions with respect, even when they were in a position to use force.Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. During these 800 years, until Muslims were finally forced out by the crusaders, non-Muslims flourished in Spain. Muslims have ruled Arabia for 1400 years, except for brief periods of British and French rule. Yet there are today 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians whose families have been Christians going back several generations. The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. They had the power to forcibly convert each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India is non-Muslim. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness to the fact that Islam was not spread by the sword.
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by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 06:44 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail, your claim is contractory to historical facts. There are no coptic christians in Saudi Arabia at present. You have just copied a portion of Dr. Zakir Naik's website without ascertaining the facts. As for India, the fact is as under:
Policy of Muslim rulers in India - The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions language, places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda were totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
RE:muslims and their economical, geo-political significance.
by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 05:13 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, there is no proof that god exists. The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more serious than Gulliver's Travels or Aesop's Fables. If there is any god and he wanted the whole mankind to follow one particular religions, there would not have any number of religions and gods!
All the religions and the corresponding gods have outlived their utility. So it would be better for the whole humanity if we all stop fighting in the name of non-existant gods and so-called revealations.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
Who Says that God do not exists.God is everywhere.you can feel His presence everywhere.you think our world is functioning b'coz of us humans.No,my dear we human are so bad that even we would had charged money for basic facilities like air,water & sun.We all human are so materialistic.God is there & you can feel Him everywhere in the Nature.Miracles of the Nature is the easiest sign of God.Believe in God & you will get eternal Bliss in these life as well as hereafter.Take care.
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by JGN on Jul 30, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Dear Ismail Sayyed, all the progress made by mankind is through sheer hard work of dedicated individuals. The God did not make the transportation systems, water supply & sewerage systems, residential townships, etc.
You all have been taught from childhood onwards about the rewards awaiting in heaven. Have you ever thought those who fought bravely alongside the Prophet still lies buried (even after almost 1400 years) and none of them have got any of those rewards!!!! How long do they have to wait for availing all those rewards?
All religions teaches about the life here-after, but none of them is teaching how to live on mother earth! I have read somewhere in The Koran that "this life is a time-pass" If that is so, why all those hatred for fellow humanbeings in the name of religions, gods, etc?
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by biz Narayan on Jul 30, 2007 05:11 PM Permalink
Ismail, why don't you people say the same thing to Sheela Bhat when she wants a sickular excuse ? If not, then why the teacher logic is no fraud ? Asides why a terrorist, a fixation etc would bea teacher ?
Learn these difficult things from India instead of parroting gods kingdom like a dirty politician.
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by vikas sethi on Jul 30, 2007 07:12 PM Permalink
Mr. Sayyed, All Ur arguments are self defeating. Why kill non muslims then if Allah knows they will not change. Therefore, this whole Jihad itself is against Allah.
Why then u insist that Indians follow Shariah? Below u mention, muslims do not Follow Sharia in Criminal law in India bcoz it will give unfair advantage to non muslims over muslims (with cut hands and feet, lashings, beheading). If Alla knows everything, as he is God, he surely would have known that non muslims will not follow sharia and if inspite of this he still asked Muslims to follow Sharia (& btw muslims not following it giving excuses of non muslims is against Allah%u2019s order to you) then that ONLY means that he wanted to give advantage to non muslims over muslims. Why did he favor non Muslims then. Probably bcoz ur Allah also likes non muslims more than Muslims. There can be no other reasoning.
Further, if nothing moves without Allah's will, and all non muslim countries r more prosperous, happy & forward moving than Muslim countries, it must be Allah's will. And they have prospered due to Allah's support. Again, it shows, Allah favours the Non Muslims. Accept the facts as they r crystal clear.
