I am fed up with people commenting about our community, I hope all our people in this world can go to Mars & live peacefully their with help of the Almighty Allah! I hope this is possible & comes true
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
well if at all u guys can assure you wont bomb mars..thr is a possibility
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by Vinay Joshi on Jul 30, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
Mr Sayed. What people speak here is the truth. Please go through some documents, which prove what people are saying here. Look at whats happening in Pakistan, Iraq and other places. The fundamentalists always outnumber the liberals, because the liberals dont use force or arms. You think the same thing should happen in India as well?
Do you approve of a single civil law for everyone in the country? Do you approve of banning the Wahabi sect of Islam? Do you approve banning of killing animals in the name of religion? Do you approve stoppage of use of public space for namaz on fridays? Do you approve of forcible use of family planning?
Until yall approve, the messages that you hate reading, .... will continue.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
In any country, the Personal Law may differ for different groups of people and for different communities. Since India is a secular and democratic country it allows different groups of people to follow their own personal law if they wish.3.Islamic Personal Law is the Best Muslims believe that compared to all the different types of personal laws available in the world, the best and the most result oriented is the Islamic Personal Law. Muslims of India prefer following the Muslim personal law also because of their own belief in Islam. 4. Criminal Law.Criminal law is that law which is associated with a crime or an act which directly affects the society e.g. robbing, raping, murdering, etc.5.The Criminal Law should be the same for all people In any country, the criminal law unlike the Personal Law cannot be different for different groups of people. It has to be same for all people of different groups and different religions e.g. In Islam if a person robs, his hands are chopped off. This punishment is not prescribed in Hinduism. If a Hindu robs a Muslim, what would be the robber%u2019s punishment? The Muslim would want the hands of the robber to be chopped, while the Hindu Law would not agree.6.The Muslims in India alone cannot separately follow the Islamic Criminal Law without involving the Non-Muslims Even if a Muslim agrees, that as far as he commits a crime he should be given the punishment according to Islamic Criminal Law, it would not be practical. In case an allegation is m
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by Sayed Maqbool on Jul 30, 2007 02:54 PM Permalink
What you are referring to is pertaining to India, but do you think by saying yes to all your points the world will stop looking at us with suspicion especially when we travel in western countries & the terrorist tag will be off us.
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
.8. Islamic Criminal Law is Most Practical Islam besides pointing out a crime, it also gives you a solution showing how to prevent the crime e.g. chopping the hands of a robber, death penalty for the rapist. The punishment is so severe that it is a deterrent for the criminal to commit the crime. He will think a hundred times before committing a crime.Thus if crime has to be reduced or stopped in India the best solution is to implement %u2018The Common Islamic Criminal Law%u2019.
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 03:12 PM Permalink
crime is a violence.. and you punish the person who does a crime with a violence like cutting finger etc.. wow !!!! whats the diff btw the killer and the punisher then ?..
Just by doing all this.. violence has gone into your blood and mind deeply.. thats why the life of people have become so easy and small for you to destroy and bomb countries...
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
It is true that there are Muslims who cheat, bribe and whose personal character is indeed disappointing when judged by the standard of Islam. There are black sheep in every community, and the Muslim community has theirs. It is important to bear in mind though, that display of such low ethical standards by some Muslims is a result of not following the teachings of Islam.In the current political climate, it has become fashionable to associate Islam with obscurantist ideas, and extremist behavior. Millions of Muslims worldwide focus on righteous deeds in this life, in order to attain eternal salvation in the hereafter. Muslims are the biggest community of teetotalers in the world. Every year, Muslims donate billions of dollars in charity, as part of their religious obligation of Zakat.The vast majority of law-abiding, righteous Muslims, however, do not make the headlines, the way deviants do.This has resulted in the perpetuation of negative stereotypes of Muslims. Judging Islam by the behavior of some Muslims is akin to judging a car by an erratic driver.
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Ismail and Sayed ,
We never asked you to write stories here... Just see whats your attitude.. without any reason you guys start praising islam...this is what we call as inferiority complex..
Read the topic above and stick to it..When will you guys stop bombing ? is it in your law to bomb places ? or in ur quran ?
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by Sayed Maqbool on Jul 30, 2007 03:20 PM Permalink
who is praising, Mr, Ismail has listed the laws of crime & punishment clearly let this law come into force in India at least for muslims, then if it is a sucess & brings dowm all the antinational activites.. then it can be extended to all others.,,,
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by vijay baskar on Jul 30, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
excellent vinay !!! great points.. i wanted to write these but kept quiet to leep up our dignity..
Just becoz we are tolerating everything...they think that we are for fun !!!
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
Even if a Muslim agrees, that as far as he commits a crime he should be given the punishment according to Islamic Criminal Law, it would not be practical. In case an allegation is made against a Muslim for robbery and if the witnesses are Non-Muslims, and if each one follows his own Criminal Law, the punishment in Islam for bearing false witness is 80 lashes, whereas in the Indian Crimial Law, a person giving false witness can easily escape. Thus, for a non-Muslim to falsely accuse a Muslim of any crime is very easy, if both follow their own criminal law. However, if both follow the Indian Law where the punishment is lenient for false witnesses and robbers, it will encourage both the robber to rob as well as encourage the witnesses to give false witness for their own benefit.7.The Muslims in India would prefer the Islamic Criminal Law to be implemented on all Indians.We Muslims would prefer that in India the Islamic Criminal Law be implemented on all the Indians, since, chopping the hands of a thief will surely reduce the rate of robbery in India. Similarly, 80 lashes for giving false testimony will prevent a person from giving false witness.8. Islamic Criminal Law is Most Practical Islam besides pointing out a crime, it also gives you a solution showing how to prevent the crime e.g. chopping the hands of a robber, death penalty for the rapist. The punishment is so severe that it is a deterrent for the criminal to commit the crime. He will think a hundred times before commi
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by Ismail Sayyed on Jul 30, 2007 05:29 PM Permalink
You be good to the people & people will be good to you.Forget & Forgive.Live & let Live.Ok.Anything Else.
