RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by vimal bhasin on Jul 16, 2007 11:44 PM Permalink
Well you cannot argue against the comments posted on Faithfreedom.com as their arguments seem convincing. It could be hit & run bcos of the danger involved to the writers. Hit&run is incidentally tactics adopted by muslim terrorists 2day. The writers of the website also are muslims as can be judged from vidoes on the site as a non muslim is not allowed in mosque. The terror 2day can be partly credited to bigger terror against muslims as you want to prove. It is a question of the egg first or the hen. But muslim history is full of violence of the kind mentioned in the site &u cannot simply deny it.It is a fact. Muslim religion was spread with Qoran in one hand & sword in the other.The big question is every religion has ve& -ve but there is discussion which helps to reform it. Muslims never allow discussion & are ready to fight for their religion bcos they are trained that way. So everywhere u have muslim settlement, there r fights. As regards who is intelligent, it is a matter of choice. some may find Osama intelligent others may think he is a coward to hide in a hole. But, If u criticise others, be prepared to be criticised too. Do not have double standards. Preach to others only if u r willing to also open ur eyes & listen. Above all have the guts to call a spade what it is.
RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by Jehan Mir on Jul 17, 2007 12:09 AM Permalink
Regarding your egg and hen analogy.Please consider the following facts for cause and effect.
Have Muslims invaded any non muslim country in the past 200 years or was there any terrorism committed by Muslims before the issues of Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan erupted?
RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by xyz abcs on Jul 17, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
and Jehan, u cannot deny the fact that islam was spread by the sword..all the invaders of india forced millions to convert..dont take only the last 200 years into account..using ur analogy, USA is awesome because they didnt do anything stupid for the past 20 minutes
RE:RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by Jehan Mir on Jul 17, 2007 01:28 AM Permalink
Spreading Islam was only collateral ( pyar,ke side effects ) and an excuse to greed of Invaders to plunder,loot,massacre in India.
They converted Indians to Islam and married with Hindu Maharajas for political and military alliances and to protect their own interests and kingdoms.
It was as much of a subterfuge,as USA first attacking Iraq for WMD ,then after failing to find it,tried to justify it on grounds of freeing Iraqi people .
USA has sure freed Iraqis of their homes,family members and body parts. ( America ke side effects )
RE:RE:RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by vimal bhasin on Jul 17, 2007 01:40 AM Permalink
Ha Ha Ha. My dear friend, r u Javed Mir the pak columnist who is currently in US
RE:RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by vimal bhasin on Jul 17, 2007 12:35 AM Permalink
My dear friend, consider 1600 yrs of muslim history. Chances r womenfolk amongst ur forefathers would have been raped, murdered or kept as harams & theylater converted to muslim religion as they could not escape &there was no option left.I am sorry for saying this but if u r prudent u will realise it. How did muslim religion spread in India & its part that is now Pakistan.Parsis from Persian Iran r still settled in India, Christian Syria, Egypt,Africa. Check history of any region honestly. U will get only one answer. Even, the crisis of Kashmir,Palestine, Iraq & Afghanistan are political crisis. Muslims have given it a religious colour. Christians attacking muslims.Repeating the lie 100 times they now believe it 2 b truth & wrongly think it is cause. Before all this, u had saudi & iran politics - Shia Sunni fights which r now temporary on back burner. Politics has been & will continue till man lives. But muslims give it religious colour everytime & then there r calls for Jihad. When Britishers ruled India, noHindu then said that christians have attacked Hindus. All religions r good & a way 2 God.They came in different eras to solve problems of people in that era.Unfortunately, there have been more killings in this world in the name of religion than anything else.Injustices have always been part of the world.But to label this as attack on religion is what people object to. 2day muslims r killing muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan (Shia sunni)all in the name of religion.
RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by xyz abcs on Jul 17, 2007 12:30 AM Permalink
LOL ..dude muslims had invaded india for 500 years before the brits came.but one thing good is that u are one guy who doesnt believe in dogma and that is a big hurdle crossed..dogma can never be good for any religion..and whom do u refer to when u say "dumb god"..Allah and God are one and the same, so i was wondering whether u mean to say that Allah is dumb
RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by Jehan Mir on Jul 17, 2007 01:17 AM Permalink
Muhammad (PBUH) would be an inteligent human being ,if it is to be believed that he was not sent by God,and dumb god would be the god envisioned by other dogmas which make absolutely no sense whatsoever.
RE:RE:www,faithfreedom.com
by vimal bhasin on Jul 17, 2007 01:49 AM Permalink
That is ur belief. To rest of the world, Mohammad makes no sense. So, it is best not criticise. All religions have strong points and negatives. If Hindu religion has survived more than 10000 years, there must be strength init which u donot understand. If Christians worship jesus even today, there must have been miracles that you are unaware of. If god or Allah wanted only one religion to survive, it would have been a fact long ago. But all religions are surviving & growing. They are like a circle whose all radii meet in the centre. Spread love. Ego is the cause of every problem. When u say ur religion is only right then u create a problem. My religion is as good as urs. But it is a personal matter. I do not get it into business or my dealings with other. This is where muslims falter and suffer.
