RE:Pakis have no other choice
by vaibhav rajpal on Feb 24, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
nothing for or against what you said, but please quote a source before you try to make ur opinion a fact..
RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by Deepak Srivastava on Feb 25, 2007 02:46 AM Permalink
what source you need.... before those Muslim attacks ppl in the region we Buddhists or Hindus, by hook or by crook they were converted to islam.
Check: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan
"In 712 CE, the Arab general Muhammad bin Qasim[10] conquered Sindh and Multan in southern Punjab, setting the stage for several successive Muslim empires including the Ghaznavid Empire, the Ghorid Kingdom, the Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire. During this period Sufi missionaries played a pivotal role in converting a majority of the regional Buddhist and Hindu population to Islam. "
RE:Pakis have no other choice
by desijohn on Feb 25, 2007 03:23 AM Permalink
Well said Baba Bengali. It is indeed true that ALL people in the entire Indian Sub Continent extending from Afghanistan,Pakistan to Combodia and Indonesia were Hindus since time immemorial. Most muslims in this region are converts - forcibly in most cases. Islamic rulers who invaded a fragmented India, raped, plundered and forcibly converted thousands. Chandini Chowk in Delhi was one place that witnessed the conversions during Moghul era. There are several sources but if you can think, you will figure this truth.
Also, don't rely on the Aryan theory. Indian civilization is the oldest in the world, and people migrated out of India. Not the other way. Max Mueller who promulgated the Aryan theory confessed and stated that that was incorrect. Many modern Historians and anthropologists have written books and widely acclaimed papers that shoot down the Aryan theory.
Some folks on this forum seem to think that peace can exist between India and Pakistan. I don't think so. Its a clash of the cultures. Hindus are not known historically to go looting, raping and killing. Hopefully Pakis will be sensible and not make Hindus start now.
RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by on Feb 25, 2007 10:24 AM Permalink
Hi all - the Kabba in Mecca, is basically a Shiva Linga (Shiva Temple), prophet mohahamed was a follower of Lord Shiva, This is a secret, which is known to the Saudi Kingdom for centuries. Hence if they disclose this then no one would be going for Hajj, and saudis will loose money. See no one had seen what is inside Kabba, they all give you stories. And they talk of koran, Allah and all these crap !!! Islam is a religion based on brutality, bloodshed and hatred. Hence you cannot expect anything more. Today the world had just 1.5 billion muslims, it is 25% of the world's population today, let it grow to 2 billion we will have more problems in this world. All Pakis and Bangladeshis are converted hindus, they need to be converted back to the religion of their choice, not what is forced upon them. Where ever there are Muslims you see problems. You go to kashmir, Hindus had left their homeland, you go to Bangladesh you see Hindus migrating to India or elsewhere. Let the sunnis and Shias fight a bitter battle, and it would wipe out Islam from this world. Atleast the ppl from other religion could live in peace and harmony.
RE:RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by Ibrahim Sheik on Feb 25, 2007 03:31 PM Permalink
The Last Kalki Autar (Messenger) that the Veda has foretold and who is waited on by Hindus is the Prophet Muhammed ibn Abdullah (saw) * A recently published book in Hindi has raised a lot of hue and cry all over India. In the event of the author being Muslim, he would have been jailed and a strict ban would have certainly been imposed on the printing and the publishing of the book. The author of this important research work "Kalki Autar" i.e. "guide and Prophet of whole universe" comes of a Bengali race and holds an important portfolio at Ilahabad University. Pundit Vaid Parkash is a Brahman Hindu and a well known Sanskrit scholar and research worker. Pundit Vaid Parkash, after a great deal of toil and hard-work, presented the work to as many as eight great Pundits who are themselves very well known in the field of research in India, and are amongst the learned religious leaders. Their Pundits, after thorough study of the book, have acknowledged this to be true and authentic research work. Important religious books of India mention the guide and prophet by the specific name of "Kalki Autar" it denotes the great man Muhammed (saw) who was born in Makkah. Hence, all Hindus where-ever they may be, should wait no longer for any other 'kalki autar' but to embrace Islam and follow in the footsteps of the last Messenger of Allah (swt) who was sent in the world about fourteen hundred years ago with a mission from Him and after accmplishing it has long ago departed this world. As an argument to prove the authenticity of his research, Pundit Vaid Parkash quotes from the Veda, a sacred book among Hindus: 1. Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be the last Messenger / Prophet of Bhagwan (Allah) to guide the whole world. Afer quoting this reference the Pundit Parkash says that this comes true only in the case of Muhammed (saw). 2. According to a prophecy of Hinduism, 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'. 3. In the 'sacred' book of Hindus the father's name of 'kalki autar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat' and his mother's name as 'somanib'. In sanskrit, 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave. 'Vishnu Bhagat' therefore, in the Arabic language will mean Allah's slave (Abdullah). 'Somanib' in Sanskrit means peace and tranquilty which in arabic is denoted by the word 'Amina'. Whereas the last Messenger Muhammed's (saw) father and mother's names were Abdullah and Amina respectively. 4. In the big books of Hindus, it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. In this regard Pundit Parkash writes, "This is true and established only in the case of Muhammed (saw)". 5. Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be born in the respected and noble dynasty of his land. And this is also true as regards Muhammed (saw) as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah. 6. 'Kalki Autar' will be taught in the cave by Bhagwan through his own messenger. And it is very true in this matter. Muhammed (saw) was the only one person in Makkah who has taught by Allah's Messenger Gabriel in the cave of Hira. 7. It is written in the books which Hindus believe that Bhagwan will provide 'Kalki autar' with the fastest of a horse and with the help of which he will ride around the world and the seven skies/heavens. The riding on 'Buraq' and 'Meraj' by the Prophet Muhammed (saw) proves what? 8. It is also written in the Hindus' books that 'kalki autar' will be strengthened and heavily helped by Bhagwan. And we know this fact that Muhammed (saw) was aided and reinforced by Allah (swt) through His angels in the battle of Badr. 9. Hindus' books also mention that 'kalki autar' will be an expert in horse riding, arrow shooting, and swordsmanship. What Pundit Vaid Parkash comments in this regard is very important and worth attention and consideration. He writes that the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an
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by Bhaskar Chattopadhyay on Feb 25, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
Hindus are willing to make Muhamud one new Avataar. But will Muslims treat Hindus (or for that matter anything other than Islam) equally respectfully? Answer is no.
And there lies the rub:)-
Hindus treat all other faiths as equally true. Thus a Hindu could write on Kalki Avatar, similarities with Prophet(sic). However, Muslims don't accept anything other than Islam.
Naturally, Muslims will destroy these Hindus, their literature, or even Kalki Avataar if they wield power in India - as we seen in Bangladesh/Pakistan.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by Aurijit Sarkar on Feb 27, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
notice the misinterpretations of sanskrit words in the write up by Ibrahib Sheikh above... people should research their facts before believing propaganda like this. it's obvious, how believable (and hence dangerous) write-ups of this sort can be to the general public!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 06:34 AM Permalink
The real culprit is Dr. Zakir Naik this nonsense is his claim to fame apparently. Do yourself a favor and watch some of his videos on YouTube.com, you will not be disappointed by his ignorance and stupidity.
RE:RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by G S on Feb 25, 2007 07:51 PM Permalink
Why History is proof that Muslim religion was imposed by different rulers under one pretext or another. Why Islam or Christianity does needs missionaries or spreader if it is so good. Why do u need brainwashing if it is the eternal way? If you accept that there is one GOD and if you accept that he is kind and benevolent then why don't you guys live peacefully with any other religion in the world? Why there is always fear that Islam is under danger? Have u spread enough lies that it will come out in open or u don't feel u have that strength to stick to it. Any religion which is in perpetual fear or which needs to be defended everywhere is not strong. If you are humble and not abusive then I will believe that u and ur religion have some truth, else all u say has little meaning. if you can not love another human, if you can not pardon others sins, if you can not tolerate other religion then my dear you are at fault.
RE:RE:RE:Pakis have no other choice
by desijohn on Feb 26, 2007 08:04 AM Permalink
Hey Sheik,
Check with learned Hindu scholars about Kalki avatar before you comment and incite Hindus.Respect other religions as you expect them to respect yours. Others are equally powerful or vulnerable. Don't mistake tolerance for timidity.
Whatever applies to a Hindu also applies to everyone else including but not limited to Karma, Dharma and Moksha.
Just like people have different color, different cars(Honda, Toyota etc.) so also there are several beliefs. Each no more equal than the other. No one religion or belief can say its The true belief. If it does, its arrogance. Generally religions that have a need to convert/coerce people need to project that their belief is The true one. We all know that thats not the case. Isn't it?
