How nice the World would have been if this so called religion wouldn't have surfaced in the face of earth!!.. Millions and Millions of Human blood has been wasted for some unknown deity, just by people following a book called the true relevation of the only God, for which there is no proof!. just sheer hatred with fellow human beings who doesn't subscribe for their version of God!
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by Devendra Sawant on Feb 21, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
I Agree
The first step should be taken by Islamists. They should should change their religion to humanity and everyone should be given a lesson on the importance of human life. SO that they will stop being so cruel and also stop killing innocent people.
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by david on Feb 21, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
the problem with most of the people is that they don't want to know the truth. blaming muslims is the easiest thing in india these days. when you talk of humanity just think how many riots have the extremist hindu organizations organized and literally paid for. were they not thugs those who raped women and burnt children alive because they were muslims? extremist muslims can be called intolerant but extremist hindus are no less in any way. when you learn to appreciate this fact, you'll see things in a diffrent light.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 06:05 AM Permalink
Dear David how much truth do you know share some with us as well. Hindus only retaliate that too when the muslims have crossed a limit and it becomes necessary to show them that hindus can also do more than them but only because hindus live by their religious belief of tolerance to everybody they are properly behaved since ancient times. Mohammed Ghouri was defeated and still allowed to go back alive twice but the moment he defeated pritivi he killed him and the muslims invasions since then are the most barbaric in human history. In present times do you know that more than 3 lac kashmiri hindus have been driven out by muslim majority. In Kosvo (Europe) NATO invaded because of a similar situation. Only a Hindu country like India can allow I Lac enemy alive (1971 war). If muslim country like Pakistan had got hold of similar indian soldiers they would have slaughtered them like goats.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:57 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma, don't you think ur more cultured than the people who lived 500 years ago? At that time, kings had 10, 20 wives. Don't you think its a shame to have that many wives today? The majority muslims DID NOT chase away the minority hindus from Kashmir. Its the terrorist who did that. And don't talk about NATO and what they did in eastern Europe. All u know what happened there is hearsay. A romanian is a close friend of mine and he works with me - I know in detail what NATO did in Kosovo - irrespective of what u read in media. In the same vein, I still have great respect for Hinduism for all the positive points you have mentioned here. And I believe many who have known Hinduism will have the same respect. But, the hatred you are spewing on Muslims is very damaging to the peaceful religion of Hinduism.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 10:07 AM Permalink
Joel Satheesh 500 years ago kings had 20/50 wives. Since you are showing you are very learned tell me a common man in that era had how many wives. Even today rich people have 20/50 wives only because it's become illegal they marry 1. Common man you know the truth. Cultured - tell me wouldn't you be a fool if you didn't learn anything from history. Afgani rulers learnt from history - they knew how to attack hindus. That is why with even smaller armies they defeated hindus and raided the country again and again. If you know history so well didn't your teacher tell you that you have learn from the mistakes and improve your self defence
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 12:16 PM Permalink
Joel Satheesh
That's what I'm saying if Hindu extremist (as u say )existed they would have done the same to minority muslims else where in India by now.
Only one friend told you about NATO and so u think you know in detail. I read about it in media and so my knowledge is less. How hypocritical. I know hundreds of Kashmir Hindus and their stories.
Regarding only terrotists chasing away hindus from kashmir - mate in kashmir it's military rule by day and your friendly neighbourhood terrorists by night. By way can one muslim terrorist drive away hindus - which part of india do you live in. Terrorists only succeed if they have the support of the people.
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by shankar narayanan on Feb 21, 2007 06:03 AM Permalink
dude, extremist hindusim is a recent phenomenon. rss, bajrang etc have all been in existense for just 50-60 years, and have been seriously active only over the last 30 years. but extremist form of islam, has been in vogue since the start of the hijri era. in india after islam came in the 10-11 th century, we have only seen violence and killing in the name of god. how can you compare the two extremist ideologies, when one ideology is more like a reaction to violence. I dont personally supoort rss, vhp etc, but I think they are doing a godd job of social balance, given the last 1000 years of islamic agression. tell me were parisis, bahais , jews or anybody violated in india in the past, like they have been repeatedly violated in islamic lands like israel, iran etc. now do you have an answer for that as a common hindu, i am hardly interested in knowing what you koran says or allah does, as long as you dont become a pain in my arse.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:50 AM Permalink
when you follow/admire extremism of any religion, you lose every right to speak about the great tolerant religion (Hinduism). Hinduism has such a following over 1000 years of atrocities simply means we need to follow it. If you start talking supportive of hindu extremism, there is no difference between you and a terrorist. Extremism/Terrorism in all forms must be shunned.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 09:34 AM Permalink
Joel Hindus don't kill for conversions. They don't preach that you on roads convert to christainity. Has a Hindu ever come to your door step telling this. Come to western world and it is every day. Hindus have only retaliated when they have been threatened physically. Why no Parsi have been killed though they are living here since even before Islam arrived. Same is true of Jews ever hear Hindus talking bad of them or christians.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 08:59 AM Permalink
Perv Sharma, what are you? A hindu equivalent of a mullah?
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 02:13 PM Permalink
Some fools think they understand history
They assume muslims as indians. Britishers as occupiers. For a Hindu both were occupiers. But, for the muslims only the britishers are occupiers because they think they ruled some major parts of india for 400 years and britishers ended muslim rule in india. Under Britishers, Hindus prospered because they were allowed to practice their religion without fear. Hindus learnt nationalism from them and made one hindu country with so many different hindu languages and traditions. Punjab may have different hindu customs to that of Tamil nadu. But, still after 50 years have lived under one name India. In ancient times there was no India only different rulers for different small states.
If hindus are kafirs then and the so called muslims want to establish Allah's world, then first atleast form one muslim country in Middle east. It's oblivious allah's world is just crab, when two muslims can't even live together whereas kafirs(worshippers of many gods and Idols) live together peacefully never killing other hindu because he may worhsip Ram and other krishna and other vishnu and other Shiv and so on. Never heard hindus killing like this. But Sunni and Shia - they make hell right in Middle east the land of their guru
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by david on Feb 21, 2007 06:22 PM Permalink
hey joel it's very difficult to convince some people that if you call pakistan a terrorist state, then you can't try and emulate them and want to be called clean at the same time. hindu terrorist are no better than muslim terrorists no matter what he age of the organization is. muslims in india are backward and when they try to uplift themselves extremists in the majority community do not allow them to do so. they blame mohd ghauri or some other thug for that. muslims have been a victim of organized riots in india, would that be a good reasons for their future generations to seek revenge? do you blame our politicians who sell the country by buying cheap defense equipments as Hindus? so why muslims can not be trusted in army? do you hate the british for enslaving your ancestors as much as you hate muslims because mohd ghauri was a muslim and killed hindus. do we dare talk like this to the british? no, our slavish mentality will not allow us to do so, muslims are easy prey any way.
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by Abhilash Nair on Feb 21, 2007 10:08 AM Permalink
Joel,
I can%u2019t understand you. I mean if we talk about our lives and our people we are extremists.
In kerala, Christians give votes to only a Christian candidate following the instruction from church. That%u2019s not extremism at all. Is it? You people are the most selfish people on the entire planet.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 12:20 PM Permalink
Joel what are you - since alexander the great needed help from King Porus indian enemy and Mohammed Ghouri from Pritvi's Father in - law- and since you are so learned therefore you know history repeats itself. I see you equivalent of the above traitors of this country
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 21, 2007 05:55 AM Permalink
david, why are you talking about only Hindus and Muslims. You have a Christian name. India is in great mess. No one who the guy David is and where he is from. No one knows who the Salim is and where is from. They can be from any part of the world as Islam and Christianity are global religions. Hindus, they only love India. Others, we never know.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Chaitanya, whats there in a name. I'm a christian and I'm no less a patriot than you are. And I also believe every Indian loves India irrespective of his/her religion. If not, we wouldn't be having a great great son of the land, Dr. Abdul Kalam. Don't blame the muslims for all of India'a problems. Its easier to do that way, but blaming does not lead to any solution. The biggest threat for India is not exernal, but internal. When I say internal, I mean all of us - christians, hindus, muslims. There are people from outside trying to fan such rivalry among us. Seeing us fighting based on religions, they must be having a hearty laugh. So, try to avoid fighting ur brothers of the land. Group together and let take the scourge of terrorism together.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 09:29 AM Permalink
Joel Satheesh Because of common sense like yours Hindus have paid the price. Do you know why no muslim is given high rank in indian army because internally everybody knows that during the first war with pak most of the muslim generals sided with pak and even some migrated to pak. And yes use your common sense and come and live in Kashmir as a Hindu. Just come over and live and then talk
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by Shenidh on Feb 21, 2007 03:20 AM Permalink
Before pointing fingers at anybody please know that other three fingers are pointing towards u. Whatever happened in B'lore was a politics. When both Dharam singh and jaffer sharief were involved in that rally, how can u blame muslims for that. There were both muslims & hindus in that rally. Even in calcutta, dehli there protest against saddam execution by hindus. Then why are blaming muslims for whatever happened in India. RSS hindu extremist need an excuse to create problems in peaceful city link bangalore. They want to create one more mini gujurat in south india too. That's there agenda. It's clear. As long as these ornaziations (Shivsena, RSS, VHP, banjrag dal etc) exits, there cannot be peice in India, period.
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 04:18 AM Permalink
If hindu organisations are behind unrest in india, then when there is 95% majority muslims in Kashmir and they have managed to drive out hindus. It's time hindus in other parts of the country did the same to muslims in rest of the country otherwise slowly where ever they come in majority they will drive out hindus.
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by Joel Satheesh on Feb 21, 2007 11:11 AM Permalink
Mr. Perv Sharma, I wonder whether u have any commonsense!!!
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by on Feb 21, 2007 06:24 AM Permalink
If going by your logic, Muslims ruled India for 600 years as Kings. They should have killed all Hindus. They didn't did that. Islam never preaches killing innocent. This are all the handiwork of some hindu and Muslim organization. Most of the hindus or Muslims have nothing to do with it. This guyz should be hang. First in the list is Narendra Modi and Ashok Singhal
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by Perv Sharma on Feb 21, 2007 11:22 AM Permalink
Muslims ruled india over 600 years. The only reason is that there were wise hindu kings like Shivaji, then the Sikh gurus, moreover the initial muslim kings only invaded for the riches and went back. Akbar succeeded in establishing an empire only because he realised it was possible to live and rule if he had support of some rajput kings near Delhi. Aurangzeb was the fanatic who tried to convert forcefully and met his match in Shivaji and his family. So, basically foresight of some hindu kings saved the religion otherwise like the way muslims managed to wipe other religions in conquered lands they would have been successful in India as well. Kashmir lacked a foresighted hindu ruler and 95% became muslims.
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by Sirish R on Feb 21, 2007 06:11 AM Permalink
Frankly speaking Saddam's hanging doesn't bothers most of the Indians, as long as the Indian is a muslim or is a commie sympathizer!, They would readily Revere a proven Despot like Saddam just because he is a muslim or he is against USA!. And yes it was politics, very much a politics!, but well is it not Islam is just another political Ideology in the guise of religion!!, who wants to fly the Flag of Islamic Caliph ah!, what big difference Dharam Singh and his likes are involved with this politics for their livelyhood no doubt!. But the issue is not about politics, it about the intolerance! Bottom line is you guys just would hate anything that is unislamic, which means all idolators are unislamic! Again , it's just about politics man! politics of power, excuse in the name of a True God! Poor God, he has been unnecessarily been dragged to all these mess!, All in praise of God!, It is not happening all of a sudden, not today, happening for over 1400 years now! will keep growing. This is best could be described as Arab Imperialism!, you would do anything and everything to hurt your own culture to make the culture of your masters look good!
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by Shenidh on Feb 21, 2007 04:42 AM Permalink
Sirish, I know there are lot bad things happening in the name of islam. But, u cannot blame Islam for that. Its just like u have extremist like RSS, VHP, Banjrang dal in hindus, muslims have extremist too. Unless and until u have complete knowldege on islam u will never have any ve image abt islam. Becuase media has created -ve view about islam always like blaming islam or all muslims it there is any terrorist attach. Do u blame all hindus for what happened i gujurat? I don't think so right? So this is the same thing here. Now you please don't give the examples of other countries like Iraq, Palastine, Afghanistan. Those are problem created by western countries. Mixing those issues with us not fair. Because each country has their own problems.
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by Sirish R on Feb 21, 2007 06:14 AM Permalink
Shenidh, There has been a mistrust between hindus and muslims, ever since this country was being invaded by invaders from arab and persian gulf!!. These invaders never came to live in india peacefully, they plundered, killed and did all possible atrocities with the common people living in then!. History is witness to this sorry state of affairs that happened then!. Most of them were forcefully converted from their indegenious way of life, forcing them to believe in something the invaders considered were true. Lets not get into denials! Muslim rulers then treated them all with disgain as mere filth, because they believed in many God and they believed in Idols! It culminated in the partition of the country to bangaladesh and Pakistan!. Even now there has been scores of instances that muslims instigating conflicts! When you talk about Gujarat, why should one forget Godhra!, Do you think there would have been some riots there if not for Godhra! think! why this much hatred from the very beginning!, it could be even you would have been a hindu, only u were forcefully converted to as a muslim! Hindus are spritual, they search for peace!!. With muslims its not about sprituality, it's more to do with religiousity, a religious zeal!. They never get instigated by some artist who paints Hindu Goddess in nude!, there will be protest but they don't go overboard!. See the same reaction for the cartoon publishing of Mohammad!, riots in the name of attack on Islam around the globe! be it in UK, Africa, India everywhere!, wasn't that a harmless way of expression!. Those were organized riots around the Globe, which costs billions!. Have you ever thought why there hasn't been any protests when thousands of Sudanese black muslims are getting killed by their fellow Arab muslims in Sudan!. Aint they humans! Is there no value to life! Sometime there will be a time to introspect! It's time to think how the world has become over the last 1400 years!. Please think it over!
