All the overwhelming hate mongering mails on this message board are proof enough of the hatred people like Sukhwinder Singh, Pranav, Raj Aryan, Amit,etc hold against the Muslims. Pure and utter hatred against the very name that begins with Muhammad %u2013 and this goes for all Muslims be they be Indians or Pakistanis (or Arabs for that matter)
And YET the Hindus/Jews have the audacity to talk about Muslims to remain %u2018peaceful%u2019 and in acceptance of this crushing abhorrence.
"Kick and humiliate a man while he is down and don%u2019t expect him to even answer back" - just as the whole world and in particular the Americans are doing around the world!!
Anyone ever wonder why an 18 year old youth will strap a bomb around his waist and blow himself up to smithereens when he has the best years of his life in front of him to enjoy? How woeful must his circumstances be that he chooses this brutal barbarous death over anything else? (Note: If there was just one such case you could dismiss it as being psychotic; but not when so many do the same) So you want to know the reason. Here it is:
His home (his land) has been invaded by brutal force, he has been forced out of his own land, at least one of his immediate family members, and in many cases multiple members, have been brutally slaughtered, the helpless soul is handicapped with has no aircrafts, missiles, armor, artillery, ammunition but just STONES to throw /some light firepower and to top that, is pitted against the worlds most sophisticated machinery (Israel%u2019s) which can put the this great country%u2019s (Indian) military might to shame. So this helpless individual has nothing but his SOUL (literally) to fight the cruise missiles, aircraft bombers, carpet bombers, highly trained infantry with state of the art arms and armour backed by the worlds most capable intelligence service.
So left with no choices this hapless mortal cannot find any other way to avenge his father/mother/sisters slaughter, mass murder of his compatriots and the invasion of his land/home and subsequently opts to strike back with the only thing he has %u2013his LIFE! %u2013 Straps a bomb and plunges to death just so he can inflict SOME damage on the enemy if not fully demolish them.
And then comes the media: The CNN and the BBC, Sky, CBC, Fox and all the Indian & International media who mourn the death of the invading Israeli solider and demonize the 100 odd Palestinian%u2019s he killed when invading their land (Yes, the ratio of Palestinian deaths to Israeli deaths in spite of the suicide bombings is more than 100 %u2013 i.e. 100 death of Palestinian women and children mostly to one Israeli solder%u2019s death)
Also, compare this to US invasion of IRAQ; 3154 US soldiers to 660,000 deaths of Iraqis- MOSTLY women and children-with the count still rising as you read. That%u2019s 210 Iraqi women and children savaged for every 1 US solders death. And these are no ordinary deaths%u2014 They have been tortured to the hilt; Bodies have been found with skulls drilled and their tongues cut out!!! And I will not even begin to talk about the injured/tortured list.
Just moot this: If anyone was to KILL/RAPE/SLAUGHTER/TORTURE your mother/father/wife/sister/daughter/son in the brutal most manner possible %u2013 drill their head/cut out their tongue/strip them down and leave them with savage dogs %u2013 for even a reason, let alone without any reason, would YOU not retaliate in the barbarous and vicious most way possible?
The 660,000 that died in the US invasion of Iraq, the 2500 in Gujarat, countless in Kashmir, the 400,000 in Bosnia, an estimated 50,000 Bosnian Muslim women raped by Bosnian Serb soldiers in a systematic campaign of humiliation and psychological terror in Bosnia, and god knows how many in Kashmir %u2013 were all mother/sister/father/son/daughter/wife to someone.
India too is not that far behind with the communal BHP, Bajrang Dal and The VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS who have all the hallmarks of fundamentalist-terrorist groups , and their behavior is indistinguishable from the Taliban. So if Taliban can be taken down for their behaviour as %u201Cfundamentalist%u201D then so should the VHP, Bajrang Dal and the RSS atleast if not the BJP.
%u2022 They are self appointed guardians of morality which they impose, on pain of physical intimidation and destruction of property, by roving gangs of state-sponsored ruffians. They pass judgments on what can be shown on TV and cable, what movies should be allowed, what festivals or occasions people can or cannot celebrate. %u2022 Ancient monuments of historical relevance are being destroyed, much like the destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas by the Taliban. In addition to the 16th century mosque Babri Masjid that was destroyed by these militant Hindu organizations in 1992, several dozen mosques were destroyed in the recent riots in Gujarat, including the 16th century mosque near the Jethabai step wells which had been classified as a protected site by the Archaelogical Survey of India. %u2022 The Sangh Parivar does not believe in the Indian Constitution, and instead of using democratic means to put forth their views, they resort to violence, openly flout the orders of the Supreme Court, oppose the very fundamental principle of equality and liberty upon which the Indian State is based, and demonize an entire community based on the actions of a few people who happen to claim the same religion. %u2022 The Sangh Parivar%u2019s philosophy is anti-democratic at its core . Despite participating in electoral politics, the Sangh Parivar has never believed in democracy. This is what Hedgewar, the founder of RSS, had to say:
"I have thought out a scheme based on Hindu Dharm Shastra, which provides for standardization of Hinduism throughout India... But the point is that this ideal cannot be brought to effect unless we have our own Swaraj with a Hindu as Dictator like Shivaji of old, or Mussolini or Hitler of the present day in Italy and Germany. But this does not mean that we have to sit with folded hands until some such dictator arises in India. We should formulate a scientific scheme and carry on propaganda for it."
%u2022 The VHP, Bajrang Dal, RSS organize and train private, armed militias for the express purpose of creating terror.
Then there is the KASHIR ISSSUE which I will not discuss cause I MAY BE BRANDED as unpatriotic and disloyal to my country cause there will be many points debatable from both the Indian and Pakistani points of view. Neither of the two can claim KASHMIR is solely theirs and BOTH of them have good reasons.
So I will end by saying: Make Muslims feel that they too are a part of this country and are just as integral a part of this nation as any Hindu/Sikh/Christian. Don%u2019t question their loyalty and don%u2019t demonize an entire community based on the actions of a few people who happen to claim the same religion. Give them equal social rights, equal employment and education, security against pre-planned, cold-blooded, calculated, willfully executed massacres of the their community, punish the guilty perpetrators of the Gujarat riots especially the Narendra Modi state government -- which was the instigator as well as the facilitator of these riots and last but never the least treat us Muslims too (like u want to be treated, that is) like your brothers of this great motherland called INDIA.
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by Amol on Feb 25, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Dear Tabish,
Well written. Everyone knows how Israel was formed by grabbing the land from Paletines. How these Jews are destroying the peace of the world. A look at Lebanon war could make you realise how tyrannical these people are. And the daily killings of so many innocents in Palestine. Not many in the world like these crooks. The stupids like Bush & Blair have acted in the hands of Israel. These so called superpowers will pay for their crimes. It was unnecessary to start a war with Iraq and destabilise the whole region. That too on false pretext of Weapons of mass destructions. This whole world has been made very unsafe by this Bush-Blair combine. However, slowly everyone in the world, and even in US & UK are realising the crimes these three countries (US, UK, ISRAEL) are perpetrating on innocent people.
Now as for India, you must ignore the nonsense organisations like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal. They are like a cancer to India. They have done greatest harm to India. These Organisations were created and are being run by few of the Brahmins to maintain their superiority. These 3% Brahmins first destroyed generations after generations of BC's & OBC's by making them live a life of animals and now they want to divert their mind from this real issue by bringing in such nonsense issues and creating hatred against all the other religions. Not many Indians like these Organisations. These hate mongers should understand that. These same people killed one of the greatest soul on this planet-The Mahatma Gandhi, and are busy in glorifying the terrorist & extremist Nathuram Godse. In India, the BC's, OBC's who form more than 75% of Indian population, the muslims who form 15% and other minorities apprx 2% do not accept the nonsense theories & hatred spread by these Brahmins through these organisations. The hate campaign on these message boards is also mostly by the same people and few others who are brainwashed. So just ignore them. The 97% of Indian population is for the unity in Diversity of India without anyones superiority.
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by ratnajayant gudavally on Jun 11, 2007 11:51 PM Permalink
Are Israelites fallen from the sky ? They are residents of Israel ! where Palestinians were living side by side....They are the progeny of Of Ibrahim and his TWO wives ! Sarah and Hajar !!! What a fate, they fight among themselves and bring destruction to Indians and rest of the world who have nothing to do with their family/tribe politics.
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by M Tabish on Feb 25, 2007 07:28 PM Permalink
HEy Amol,
3 cheers on that, buddy!
But i m afraid the uneducated, hungry, unclad, unemployed villager of this country is a good target to brainwash and infuse hatred for muslims by false propaganda. And theirs media -world and indian-- to help the communal BHP, Bajrang Dal, VHP, RSS !!
And ofcourse if fed the story of just sucide bombing-- and not what was the CAUSE for that bombing -- these communal groups can very much instill all the htared they want to.
So i respect and salute you for your secular thoughts but am afraid do not subscribe to the 97% statisctic! If that were true then BJP and Narendra Modis pre-planned, cold-blooded, calculated, willfully executed massacres in full view of te meida would at least have been brought to justice.
These guilty perpetrators of the Gujarat riots (including VHP, Bajrang Dal, NArendra Miodi, BJP, RSS) who were the instigator as well as the facilitator of these riots should have been behind bars, IF NOT HANGED/EXECUTED!!!
n thats juzz the Gujarat riot perpetrators! No kashmir, no Bosnia, No Israel/Palestine, no 1993 blasts, no Iraq... n the list juzz goes on n on!
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by jav on Feb 25, 2007 08:27 PM Permalink
Well done to both Tabish and Amol and last but not the least our Paa Ji Siddhu ji.
Reading posts like Amol and Siddhu I sincerely think that there is hope for India. We should all work toward making India a progressive society and hope that one day it will become the major force as people are predicting in the west. I also hope that Muslims too, as they are already, through Wipro and Bollywood play major role in making this nation a great nation that it once was. Amol and Siddhu and their friends should be saluted for dismissing the fascist organizations such VHP and Shiv Sena as we all know that in the modern world such dinosaur organizations will only contribute hatred and divisions when we should all be spreading peace, prosperity and humanity. We have enough hatred being spread by the Jews and Americans around the world and common sense tells us the main reasons behind their actions are purely materialistic and maximum control of world's wealth. But if this continues we will be left with nothing but hatred, total chaos and the disappearance of humanity -and do we want this when we already have VHP and RSS of this world in our midst?
You only need look at 25 or so years ago when the only Muslim struggle in this world was against the Zionistic occupation of Israel, but since the end of the cold war all that the US and West has done is demonize the Muslim theology, beliefs and have successfully transformed the religion of Islam into an archaic set of beliefs whose only purpose is to go after the non-believers whoever and wherever they are. What nonsense? I thought Muslims around the world were only interested in doing things that were "NON-ISLAMIC" more than 30 years ago -and that was a running joke with the Arabs who were portrayed as gamblers, womanizers and alcoholics of this world!!
Anyway, this will start a very long topic for which this is perhaps this is not perhaps the right board!!
Finally I would just like to ask that we should all work together to eliminate bigotry in India and look to reports such as Sachar Commission's finding and accept that perhaps this is a vicious circle of some Indian Muslims to feel aggrieved at times as they are not being trusted to have equal employments rights based upon their beliefs even though they are as much Indians as that monstrous Modi and our friends Sukhy and Pranav!!
And next time I am flying out of New Delhi Airport I really hope not be questioned with suspicion just because my name does not end in Modi!!
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by Capitalist on Mar 07, 2007 10:07 PM Permalink
nyone ever wonder why an 18 year old youth will strap a bomb around his waist and blow himself up to smithereens when he has the best years of his life in front of him to enjoy? 72 VIRGINS IN HEVEN
