One of the priamry reasons of India and now the world's failure to deal with Islamic terror is the inability and unwillingness to see the real issues. The problem is that nobody wants to look at the reality of what Islam preaches and how and what guides the behavior of its followers of Islam.(who otherwise have the same genetic stock as non Muslims in their immediate vicinity).
IT IS THE HATEFUL MESSAGE OF THE QURAN
Most Muslims in the Indian subcontinent are children of forcible converts (some trhough rape and murder and most through heavy taxes like Jazia).
It is so sad that we Hindus have failed to invite back our brothers in Islam back into the Hindu fold. Terrorism, riots and some dya Pakistan itself will vanish if Hindus would welcome back the Muslims back into Hinduism.
I will quote the Nobel Prize winning writer VS Naipaul about the beleivers of Islam to define their situation best.
"Islam is not simply a matter of conscience or private belief. It makes imperial demands. A convert's worldview alters. His holy places are Arab lands. His sacred language is Arabic. His idea of history alters. He rejects his own; he becomes, whether he likes it or not, a part of the Arab story. The convert has to turn away from everything that is his." While it is true that there is an extra-territorial dimension to being a Muslim, only a man as arrogant and self-deluded as Naipaul would fail to see that Muslims in India and Pakistan have retained much of their history and culture which they do not see as clashing with their Islamic faith. And if non-Arab Muslims are "converts".
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by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 18, 2007 03:31 PM Permalink
My Dear,What you know about Islam.If u really interested,go and read the Holy Quran.You will find the true essence of Islam in it.Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.Be secular and save the world.
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by zena on Feb 19, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
Ismail Sayyed
you can read your quran on www.prophetofdoom.net It contains the Bukhari, Tabari, Ishaq and Muslim - these hadiths make the quran. Can you explain to non muslims world over why a "holy" book should have 164 violent passages inciting hatred, calling muslims to commit crimes against humanity by jihad? As for islam being the fastest growing religion in the world, wake up and smell the coffee, ignoramus. 667 muslims leave islam DAILY in Africa alone. Thousands leave world over. The number of muslms worldwide is only 750 million and fast declining. Muslims have a penchant for grandiosity and far fetched imaginations. Go do some reading buddy. Get out of that huge canyon of ignorance
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by Hebbar R on Feb 18, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
Mr. Ismail, Accepting "Hinduism" is fundamentalist but accepting Islam is "secular". This is the view of most of your pseudo-secularists. Please save the world by denouncing terrorism.
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by bharath hindu on Feb 18, 2007 03:48 PM Permalink
you people are talking about secularism? you people who cannot accept the existence of other religions? how disgusting??? and whats there to read in ur book?? by seeing you people and ur deeds all over the world.. its clear to every one what your book preaches...and why the hell you guys always boast about "fastest growing religion"? ..the growing numbers doesn't make a bad religion good. greatness of a religion is shown in the deeds of it's followers..and by seeing the deeds of you people all over the world, it's clear to every one, how "peace loving" is your religion... btw ..your is fastest growing religion because, 1. you people breed until you die (which itslef explains that no sane people in the world will do it). 2.you people exploit your loved ones. if they are of other religion, they are forced to convert to your religion. (huh.. how tolarent your religion is?). 3. you people are so cruel towards other religions that they are either killed or forced to conert into ur religion( as happened previously in India, presently in Somalia, Sudan, Malaysia, Bangladesh, pakistan, Indonesia)..
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by kashmir on Feb 18, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
If Islam doesnt accept other religions, why is the re the concept of Jazia Tax? Unless you eat biryani you wont understand the taste of it. Unless you read Quran you wont understand Islam. simple. if fighting for the people & for the country against the invaders is taken a bad deed then yes we do bad deeds. we breed, but with a mutual understanding of the partner. you dont have to worry about it. we eat good and we breed good. Anyhow niether nor your so called governement is paying for our children. exploit??? then why not ask the "loved ones" to keep away from us. if it was forced conversion, why is India a hindu majority. since you "sane" followers dont breed like we do; then WHY?
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by bharath hindu on Feb 18, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
I think you didn't understand the very concept of Jazia tax. As said earlier, It is one of the many brutal ways employed by the muslim rulers to force Hindus into islam(Ask your grand parents).. regarding eating Biryani etc.. how can one taste poison to test it? and mind you if reading quran is like eating biryani, i would have read it. but seeing the people who have read it and keep on reading it..i doubt it.... Invaders? who is invading Sudan, Malaysia, bangladesh, pakistan, Indonesia? yet minorities are persecuted on a daily basis in isalmic countries...for you muslims ..if a msulim is dead then it's an issue. if a non muslim is dead it a no issue. how cruel you people are.. yes you breed with mutual understanding..but the consequenses of it are bore by the whole country..let me give you an example.. one muslim couple with a monthly salary of RS:7000 (yes because he is an auto driver.and you know why? because he was sent to a religious school to learn his religion instead of a government school which teaches maths, science etc) so he keeps on breeding until he cannot which results in 12 children....and because of his low income level, he cannot afford education to all of them and so some of them end up working as auto mechanics and some of them end up in tea cafes and some of them because of no school and work roam on the roads doing all dho number dhandha...and our prime minister says as Muslims are most poor they should be given first priority to all our national resources, they should be given separate loans..reservations..etc..and mind u why u people do all this? just to increase the numbers in your religion on others expense..so in the end who is the victim? we people... "why not ask the "loved ones" to keep away from us"..this shows the true color of your religion..you dont even care about your loved ones...only religion matters to you the most..and why? because it is said in your book. what a meaningful way to lead your life.. India is a Hindu majority country but that doesnt mean that the bloody muslim rulers who ruled it for years didn't try to force them to Islam.. the good example is bloody Aurangazeb..Hindus were tortured,persecuted and there palces of worhip demolished, by the muslim rulers all over the subcontinent (Hindu Kush mountains in afganistan where millions of hindus were persecuted by the muslim brutals hence the name hindu kush)..it was only the conviction of we Hindus that Hinduism is still prevailing in India.....and yes we are sane and proud for having fore fathers who stuck to their Dharma despite of the cruelty and oppression by the muslim zealots.. !!JAI HIND !! Invaders? who is invading Sudan, Malaysia, bangladesh, pakistan, Indonesia? yet minorities are persecuted on a daily basis in isalmic countries...for you muslims ..if a msulim is dead then it's an issue. if a non muslim is dead it a no issue. how cruel you people are.. yes you breed with mutual understanding..but the consequenses of it are bore by the whole country..let me give you an example.. one muslim couple with a monthly salary of RS:7000 (yes because he is an auto driver.and you know why? because he was sent to a religious school to learn his religion instead of a government school which teaches maths, science etc) so he keeps on breeding until he cannot which results in 12 children....and because of his low income level, he cannot afford education to all of them and so some of them end up working as auto mechanics and some of the end up in tea cafes and some of them because of no school and work roam on the road doing all dho number dhandha...and our prime minister says as Muslims are most poor they should be given first priority to all our national resources, they should be given separate loans..reservations..etc..and mind why u people do all this? just to increase the numbers in you religion on others expense..so in the end who is the victim? we people... "why not ask the "loved ones" to keep away from us"..this shows the true color of your religion..you dont even care about your loved ones...only religion matters to you the most..and why? because it is said in your book. what a meaningful way to lead your life.. India is a Hindu majority country but that doesnt mean that the bloody muslim rulers who ruled it for years didn't try to force them to Islam.. the good example is bloody Aurangazeb..Hindus were tortured,persecuted and there palces of worhip demolished, by the muslim rulers all over the subcontinent (Hindu Kush mountains in afganistan where millions of hindus were persecuted by the muslim brutals hence the name hindu kush)..it was only the conviction of we Hindus that Hinduism is still prevailing in India.....and yes we are sane and proud for having fore fathers who stuck to their Dharma despite of the cruelty and oppression by the muslim zealots.. !!JAI HIND !!
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by rajendra hegde on Feb 20, 2007 02:49 PM Permalink
Dear mohammad, I am pained to write this but this is very close to truth. U go to any police station in Inid or ask any police constable. The ir charts are full of Muslim names.why all the terrorists, most of criminal elements and thugs belong UR noble religion all over the world and more so in India? It is mainly because of lack of education and religious biogotry. Educated people like u should try to take up the social leadership and religion should be made a purly private affair and education and population control should be made first priority. Hinduism is such a liberal religion where we will love to have good friends from any religion providedU are frindly and cultured. all the best. Hope reforms will come within UR religion and please do not trust politicians that too of congress and Mulayam and Lallu type.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Feb 18, 2007 06:08 PM Permalink
I don't understand How can somebody be compelled to join a Religion. If and only if ??? the person is convinced then he accepts the other Religion. Stop Blaberring, let me tell you the reason for presence of Islam in India. 1) Sufism, the Mystical way of understanding the Almighty. 2) Caste system which prevailed in Hinduism is the main reason for people attracted towards Islam which is Egalatarian. 3) Giziya Tax for the Unbeleivers is based on the assumption that all the Muslims should give Zakaaat (Charity for Poor)which is the Fourth Basic Pillar of Islam.. Suppose if all the Muslims in India are compelled to accept Hinduism then what will happen ??? People will hate Hinduism and will not accept it at any cost. Same condition applies for all the Religions?? If can never win the Heart of a Man by Compulsion.
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by Shankar Panday on Feb 19, 2007 06:46 AM Permalink
Of course it can be...most of South America were forcibly converted to Catholicism and today they are the most ardent of Catholics...the organized religions like Islam are more about gaining political control by recruitment than of spirituality.
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by Arif Shaikh on Feb 18, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
Rishi like most Hindus are the one who just talk without knowing or possibly acknowledging real facts, i ask this guy what do you know about your own religion? Be honest and answer, my friend you need to use ur education to first read, learn and understand other faiths, rather than just talking rubbish by hearing mythological stories. Be Brave open your eyes, its not just Islam, if ur really honest first learn your own faith then if you can read other faiths like Buddhism, Christanity & later Islam, May be atleast then you will be able to understand things clearly and act accordingly. - Arif
ok fine, since make a passiobnate appeal for us to know out own religion, here is one thing for u.
I, as a Hindu, have read most of our religious scriptures. I remember when I was in 7th, Mahabharat was in our hindi syllabus. I was naturally excited to read it.
Guys, u wont believe it, one girl refues to read it. and yes, she was a muslim. reasons are obvious. and this refuasl inspite of the fact that the mahabharat book we had was greatly edited, was almost absolutely SECULAR with no mention of Hindu ritual as such, it was meant as a summary of India's History of that time.
Look as this Mr. Arif, I am most prepared to read Quran, wud love to see what the hell it says in reality, why is it that such aa holy (?) book shud have 150 pages of hatred and violence. but still, I wud like to read Quran BUT JUST AS A BOOK AND NOT AS A BOOK OF GOD. I am not saying I wud criticise it but no muslim (at least you) shud up an eyelid if I were to reject or denounce some line of it.
