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  RE:UNTOLD TRUTHS BY FRANCOIS GAUTIER
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 17, 2007 02:42 PM   Permalink


"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

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by chaitanya kumar on Mar 17, 2007 02:50 PM   Permalink
Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)



For how shall we fill people with blind faith in the correctness of a doctrine, if we ourselves spread uncertainty and doubt by constant changes in its outward structure?

...Here, too, we can learn by the example of the Catholic Church. Though its doctrinal edifice, and in part quite superfluously, comes into collision with exact science and research, it is none the less unwilling to sacrifice so much as one little syllable of its dogmas... it is only such dogmas which lend to the whole body the character of a faith.

-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

More such quotes from Hitler in praise of Church from his Mein Kampf:

http://www.nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm

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  RE:UNTOLD TRUTHS BY FRANCOIS GAUTIER
by bharatiya on Mar 17, 2007 02:44 PM   Permalink
The large scale demolition of Hindu temples by the portugese in Goa & by Muslims in the rest of India, the forced conversions, murder, rape & loot centuries after centuries cannot be forgotten. If you add up all the violent acts of Hindus in the entire history it will not even total to 6 months (& that too has always been as a reaction to something nasty you guys have done) whereas for Muslims & Christians it has been an everyday way of life for many centuries.



Your b@lsh@% religions offer incentives like virgins & rivers of wine to lure you into crimes against humanity. You are agents of Satan on earth. It is a well known trick of the Satan that he pretends to be a devote Christian & shows his true colors when exposed.

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  RE:UNTOLD TRUTHS BY FRANCOIS GAUTIER
by chaitanya kumar on Mar 17, 2007 03:02 PM   Permalink
Atrocities on Native people:

Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader) the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to propagate Christianity.

Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians, because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion."

While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as [the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman, referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry," and made love "openly whenever they feel like it."

On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento continued:

I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and resist and contradict him."

Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ."

In average two thirds of the native population were killed by colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of "the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course, e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared our title to what we possess."

On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead.

The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and spanish raids.

As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench was very great and pestiferous."

The indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to take Jesus to his

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by chaitanya kumar on Mar 17, 2007 03:09 PM   Permalink
your list is really small Jeremy. Hindus and their so called "atrocities"(which even you need to exaggerate and concote with lies) are nothing before whatever happened in the name of Christ.

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by chaitanya kumar on Mar 17, 2007 03:17 PM   Permalink
all you christians do is point at the Hindu caste system and the discrimination in it while you hide the atrocities of Church that will bewilder the devil and satan. As if the caste system is only followed by Hindus and rest are egalitarian. What happened to the discrimination between ruling class, working class...bourgeois , proletariat.

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  RE:UNTOLD TRUTHS BY FRANCOIS GAUTIER
by pranat on Mar 17, 2007 03:23 PM   Permalink
Any progressive developing diverse country will have its share of problems in creating equitable distribution of wealth and social equaity that started in the last 3/4 centuries will hopefully be completed in this century.

But clearly we neither did nor will like to go the way of Aurangzeb/Osama Bin Ladin (a radical Muslim) or lead a crusade against non cristin religions or have an Adolf Hitler here. These people wanted to kill humanity in millions. These were progroms to eliminate/annihilate other religions. Genocide directed at completely eliminating weaker minorities. I am happy that in Hindu Majority India, crimes of this horric nature have neither happened nor will happen. Thank the Hindu majority for this who are tolerant and stop crying about RSS/BJP at every given opportunity. Hindus now, in their own country dont even have a right to stop Islamic fundamentalism and cristian conversion... mostly encouraged by the outside powers and money.

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