Can anyone (the person must be sensitive, logical, open-minded, not fundamentalist, have basic knowledge of world history, and taught / brainwashed by fundamentalist / scrupulous religious leaders and all have the capability to us the brain) tell me why countries / territories, like Afghanistan, Israel, J&K should of / for Muslims. I have seen many of the message postings, under the different articles, that the Muslims are fighting to liberate their motherland, and what is the meaning of this. As to why a particular country or territory should be for a particular religion / community and why the others or world as whole should accept should fanaticism. Otherwise also, what about the people lived in those places before the advent Islam. A classic example is Afghanistan, which is basically Buddha dominated people, who were either forced for conversion to Islam or the poor people were kicked from there, as is happening in presently in J&K. No other has claimed that this county is for our religion and probably the most liberal are Hindus who even declared their own country as secular (refer recent declaration of Nepal as secular country, besides India of course), where in many postings Muslims have posted that by 2050 China would be Muslim country, Islam is the fastest growing religion etc. etc. and what they want to depict by spreading such nuisances.
When everyone know how there ancestors were forced for conversion and the generation of those
RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM Permalink
u r Very new in the discussion, it seems.
who told you only those lands muslim lands. infact ISLAM is global from the beginning. we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world.
we preach evrywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
who follows the preaching they are called Muslims. who does not, no problem. BUT WHO STOPS US RFOM PREACHING GOOD THINGS or who tries to bring EVILS and Cruelites in any area then we do JIHAD, means struggle, resistance, killing if needed etc.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by mks on Mar 16, 2007 04:14 PM Permalink
u tell me what are good things in islam..i find only terrorists coming out of your religion...
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we preach evrywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
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The above things which you have mentioned is not part of your religion.
Its prpganda which you guys indulge..
About your relegion there are so many truths which is already mentioned in this forum.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 16, 2007 05:08 PM Permalink
"who tries to bring EVILS and Cruelites in any area then we do JIHAD, means struggle, resistance, killing if needed etc. "
Mohammad ...now even some Hindus have started using your ideology ..even they kill when they find some one bringing evil...tats what happen in gujrat ..now Why are you complaning ???
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 03:38 PM Permalink
A fresh reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM [RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims] against his few queries:
Your comments - Islam is global, from the beginning, we want Islam in the whole world.
My reply - What is meaning of global (tell me the % of population, % of acceptance of willingness), what is meaning of beginning (how old it is, tell me about your ancestral background, who they were, if you abuse to your own ancestors whose blessings you are, whose blood you carry, then what is impression you are spreading) and what is meaning of, we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, who cares what you want you have right to accept anything why should I captivate myself or others to illiteracy , unscrupulous religious leaders. Even your thinking is dirty that you want others should follow it and simultaneously you are claming ISLAM (meaning peace and justice), if you preach ISLAM and meaning is it, how dare you can think about democratic rights of others or in the word you yourself is abusing and pitting to ISLAM. This is the biggest problem with you fundamentalist; you dare to think the others should follow you. Gentleman, people follow a path as per their wish, considering its good and evil, where the very basic nature of Islam (or what it has been propagated by your so called religious leaders) is barbaric and forced. You people never come to rescue your own sister like Sania Mirza, when she is bashed by your religious leaders, you never utter single word about our great H.E. President APJ Abdul Kalam that when your people say that he is not Muslims and he is puppet etc. etc. since he practices the humanism not fundamentalism and now it is barbaric thinking that you want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, what a rotten thinking. Gentleman go and cleanse you mind, you have right to thin about you but you should not dare to think about others, as they also have the same right and they are more intelligent than you as they do not mortgage their mind and soul to someone that too illiterate religious leaders.
Your comment - we preach everywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
My reply %u2013 By the way, who decides which is good and which is bad? How dare you can think about the whole world and their thinking? Do you feel yourself that you are capable to do so or you are also life self-styled prophet, who can decide the fate of whole world. I think I need to tell that in non of the Gulf country where Muslims are in population, they have declared it as Muslim country (forget about the secularism), no democracy is there, literacy rate is dismally poor, even the person hold some qualification (not education) they are captive to illiterate religious leaders, they have fear to use their own brain (always u
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by Perv Sharma on Mar 17, 2007 05:38 AM Permalink
Mohammed Ahmed this is not your Madrasa.
Regarding Islam is their from the beginning? What did you expect your Mohammed to tell his followers that with his birth, the world has started. He only heard the Jewish Stories and added his Barbaric Arab Laws. Jewish were richer than the Arabs and he thought that probably because of their god. He started preaching that we are the descandants and so and so. Even the Jews made fun of him because he could never tell whether Moses came first or Jesus(this is an example). He had earlier asked his followers to pray by looking towards jerusalem. But, being made fun of by jews and insulted and by chance he had developed sufficient army decided to bring changes the way he worshipped.
mullah every religion preaches good living, fight of truth and bad, etc..
Unfortunately, Islam is the only religion which is barbaric because of Barbaric Arab tribal laws.
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 10:35 AM Permalink
Reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM
[RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims]
Dear Mohammed Ahmed
I could not understand the reason for your unusual anger as I had not target you but at the same time if you say that who told so for Muslim lands, you may go through several postings, under several articles, where your so fundamentalists brothers have written. At present I do not have the details, I am sure even under this article somewhere the people have justified Jihad for Israel occupied area, Iraq, Afghanistan, J&K etc. etc. claiming that there are fighting to liberate their motherland. Otherwise can you justify the meaning of Jihad and killing the innocent people, including children, woman and elderly people, only because you have gun in your hand and they are soft targets. Forget about the world history, just refer back the invasion of Islamic terrorists in this country, you may call it 500 years back or 1000 years back. Can you justify the forced conversion? Can you refuse the majority population is of forced conversion (there are 99.99% chances that your ancestors have also been forced, have you ever tried to go back to your own ancestors, when I telling this I strongly feel that you are from Indian origin), you can definitely think about your own ancestors, I repeat your own ancestors including female members and their agony when they were forced for conversion and other humiliation your female family ancestors had faced at that time (I could your understand what I want to say) . I am giving few links which are small example of barbaric invasion:
My brother my intention is not to annoy you rather to request just to open your own eyes, open your own brain, the precious gift of Almighty (the supreme power, you may call as ALLAH, or whatever suits you), release yourself from the captivation of fundamentalist cages.
I am pasting a message which I had replied to someone which can open your eyes and change your mind and attitude that I am new to this discussion. In this context I would like to confirm that I have discussed these subject to my several Muslim friends & colleagues (educated, not fundamentalists, who bow to the reality not the baseless teaching of so called leaders. I hope you are also an educated person. I would request you to kindly go through the history (I am not recommending any rather advise you to go to the reputed authors and publishers (including Muslims authors) and judge yourself, again o
RE:RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims
by An Indian on Mar 17, 2007 11:53 AM Permalink
A fresh reply to mohammed ahmed on Mar 16, 2007 04:03 PM [RE:Why the Afghanistan or any other countries / territories are of / for Muslims] against his few queries:
Your comments - Islam is global, from the beginning, we want Islam in the whole world.
My reply - What is meaning of global (tell me the % of population, % of acceptance of willingness), what is meaning of beginning (how old it is, tell me about your ancestral background, who they were, if you abuse to your own ancestors whose blessings you are, whose blood you carry, then what is impression you are spreading) and what is meaning of, we want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, who cares what you want you have right to accept anything why should I captivate myself or others to illiteracy , unscrupulous religious leaders. Even your thinking is dirty that you want others should follow it and simultaneously you are claming ISLAM (meaning peace and justice), if you preach ISLAM and meaning is it, how dare you can think about democratic rights of others or in the word you yourself is abusing and pitting to ISLAM. This is the biggest problem with you fundamentalist; you dare to think the others should follow you. Gentleman, people follow a path as per their wish, considering its good and evil, where the very basic nature of Islam (or what it has been propagated by your so called religious leaders) is barbaric and forced. You people never come to rescue your own sister like Sania Mirza, when she is bashed by your religious leaders, you never utter single word about our great H.E. President APJ Abdul Kalam that when your people say that he is not Muslims and he is puppet etc. etc. since he practices the humanism not fundamentalism and now it is barbaric thinking that you want ISLAM (meaning peace and justice) in the whole world, what a rotten thinking. Gentleman go and cleanse you mind, you have right to thin about you but you should not dare to think about others, as they also have the same right and they are more intelligent than you as they do not mortgage their mind and soul to someone that too illiterate religious leaders.
Your comment - we preach everywhere about the Creator, good things of life, good living, cooperation, charity, meditation, circumcision, burial of dead bodies with dignity.
My reply %u2013 By the way, who decides which is good and which is bad? How dare you can think about the whole world and their thinking? Do you feel yourself that you are capable to do so or you are also life self-styled prophet, who can decide the fate of whole world. I think I need to tell that in non of the Gulf country where Muslims are in population, they have declared it as Muslim country (forget about the secularism), no democracy is there, literacy rate is dismally poor, even the person hold some qualification (not education) they are captive to illiterate religious leaders, they have fear to use their own brain (always u
