RE:Know this man
by Secular Indian on Feb 23, 2007 02:51 AM Permalink
You can add my non-muslim quote there too, Muhammad was extremely successful at what he did, creating the framework of Arab Imperialism and then creating the vehicle of Islam for propagating it. Genius is more the word. Collecting a rag tag bunch of tribesmen, founding a religion which within two centuries was the most powerful force in that part of the world is a very impressive feat by any (Military) standard.
But there is a darker side to all this, he was also a pedophile. He married a woman older than himself (15 years) for her money, which he used as his launching pad. He made up the Koran as he went along, depending on who he was trying to control or appease. The Satanic Verses is a good case in point. I'm not going to elaborate on that here. Islam is a package deal it comes with the baggage of 7th Century Arab culture and practice. It displaces local cultures and supplants its own. It is the success and genius of Muhammad's legacy that has been the bane of the world long after he is gone. A follower can justify plundering and raping non-believers in far too many places in the Koran and the Hadith to warrant another mention here.
At an intellectual level the Koran is a rather shallow document but as a military manual it is a work of genius.
Modus operandi: 1. Claim to have exclusive franchise on truth and the rule book (Koran) to further his agenda.
2. In order to conquer another civilization or country all that is required is God's command to kill the non-believers and destroy their temples.
3. Once conquered, kill all the men of fighting age of the defeated country, take their women as concubines, use them as battery hens to produce the next generation of Islamic soldiers who have no memory of their origin or past civilization. Pakistan & India are a case in point. Muslims there and in India have invented elaborate genealogies with claims to having descended from Arab ancestors. It's embarrassing having to listen to them.
4. If can't be won by force then they are encouraged to breed and once they have the numbers then play their hand. For evidence you are encouraged to watch the Dispatches documentary from last month on Youtube.com.
What Aurangzeb did was fully justified as far as he was concerned, he was following Muhammad's example and orders from his rule book?
Islam and Muhammad were regularly portrayed by 13th-19th century European intellectuals as a role model for their own church. One can only imagine how bad their own church was. It had nothing to do with any "absolute" gentleness in the Islamic religion itself.
RE:RE:Know this man
by Shenidh on Feb 23, 2007 04:17 AM Permalink
I cannot add your quote there because neither you are an historian nor you are an intellectual. You are just a RSS guy filled with hatred against muslims.
I do not have any comments for your comments. Because it's not you who's saying this. It's your RSS mentality. I've read these kind of comments (filled with hatred against muslims) many times from RSS mentality guys like you. In fact it has become very common nowdays attacking Islam for each and everything. If this is what u believe, then i can't help it. Continue with your belief which are contrary to famous historians and intellectuals. May God guide u, Ameen
RE:RE:RE:Know this man
by Secular Indian on Feb 23, 2007 05:02 AM Permalink
I'm neither an RSS guy nor filled with hatred against Muslims, just pointing out the shallowness of your post and a rebuttal to your claim.
You can either refute what I've written and I will have learned something new or keep quiet. But attacking the messenger (Ad Hominem) is the oldest and shallowest form of debate. If you can't argue with evidence admit it, learn and move on, instead of name calling.
Why are you dodging behind a facade of intellectual honesty and attacking me ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Know this man
by Shenidh on Feb 23, 2007 10:58 PM Permalink
Mr. secular indian,
Since your claiming yourself to be a secular Indian I'm continuing my conversation with you. I would'nt have bother to even reply to you, if you would have been a typical RSS mentality guy. Becuase RSS hindu extremist never listen to others point of view. I some how feel you have the capability to listen to others though you have attacked islam with your own imaginary views. I'm compiling my comments to refute all your allegations, it will take some time as it's gonna be a long one. If you could gimme your email address, I can email to you since this link may be removed in couple days.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Know this man
by Secular Indian on Feb 24, 2007 01:55 AM Permalink
I look forward to your refutations and would prefer that it be done in public. I have no fear of being proven wrong, I will gladly admit it, and like I've said earlier, I will have learned something new.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Know this man
by Shenidh on Feb 24, 2007 02:23 AM Permalink
Yes, as u wish. But, my only worry is someone shud not report that as abuse as my first message has already been reported as abuse..
