The name Muhammad came first, and it existed even b4 the existence of earth and Adam. All prophets had told abt Mohammad in their religious book. And if you read Vedas u will find this name there too. Do u want the scanned copies of the pages? Now u people started making and inventing new words w.r.t Islam in order to tease Muslims.
What's ur Dharma - U people can even abbriviate Allah to make another meaning, thats not difficult for 4 i know that... But see only Muslims don't interfare.. The Vishnu Bhagat was the part of the High religious studies done by Pandit Ved Prakash.
You beople says abt GOD. And if someone look frm other end it appear DOG. It depends upon the person mentality and his intension is. And definitely for a drunker both will be same.
Its not your fault, that the way u are brought up. Even its not late some people told u read correct and authentic w.r.t. any thing u read..
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by Pradeep Kumar on Mar 02, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
One question Mohammad , Who came first ? Nabi Isa or Nabi Mohammad ?
Perhaps answer to this question will lead you to your beliefs and understandings.
I would best recommend everyone to read the origin about the man and how civilizations were formed . Then how Human being started to form beleifs and existence of the supernatural and their understanding of these supernaturals...
Perhaps therein lies our answers to regious dischord !
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:56 PM Permalink
Dear In, From intuitive dreams I can tell you that God has given each region a different religion according to their intellectual capabilities. While the Arabs got only Islam because of their Barbarism (they're still Barbaric aren't they?), India got Sanathana Dharma (Hinduism) & Meditation. The West (America, Europe, Australia etc.) have also reached great intellectual levels & are therefore accepting Meditation, Yoga, Past life regressions, telepathy, chakra balancing, karma clearing etc., because they find it useful & effective. E-mail me on dr_ramanand@rediffmail.com to learn these things, if interested
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by A Pandit on Mar 02, 2007 05:32 PM Permalink
a little correct here. they were messenger to human kind not God. yes they were from God. also prophet Isa was for his time only and for his nation only. he clearly mentions that "dont you go to gentiles, for i have come only for the lost ships of israel". but the last prophet of Islam (mohammad) was for the rest of the time till judgment day and for the entire humanity, not only for a small tribe or nation. if you read your own books then you will know more. i read out of my interest with the seeking of Lords pleasure. you must read it to.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
Mohammad, Dajjal and Qayamat are only accepted by Muslims (and possibly Jews and Christians)
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
From intuitive dreams I can tell you that God has given each region a different religion according to their intellectual capabilities. While the Arabs got only Islam because of their Barbarism (they're still Barbaric aren't they?), India got Sanathana Dharma (Hinduism) & Meditation. The West (America, Europe, Australia etc.) have also reached great intellectual levels & are therefore accepting Meditation, Yoga, Past life regressions, telepathy, chakra balancing, karma clearing etc., because they find it useful & effective. E-mail me on dr_ramanand@rediffmail.com to learn these things, if interested
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by A Pandit on Mar 02, 2007 05:28 PM Permalink
first of all Muslims dont accept the Genesis of Bible as you have misunderstood it. i have read the islamic faith and its books. they dont just extend any story from Bible. muslims and christians have entirely different faiths. in fact bible is still evoluting. there are so many versions have already came and lot more yet to come. so both the faiths are entirely different. regarding adams age and the age of earth. why you want to know this? what will you do by knowing this? will it serve any purspose to you and will take you to paradise? religion is not here to give you the coomplete ideas about this world and earth. it is here to guide you on the right path and give you a successful life. which you will attain by following it with careful eyes. as there are alot of evil people who are trying to misguide the common man by giving fake ideas as well creating their own books. but if you are truthful then you will get the guidance from your Lord and He will keep you on the right path. but you must have a pious heart to accept and apply the truth even if it is against your earlier belief.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 05:06 PM Permalink
India's books were lost because of being conquered (Muslims destroyed the Indian books) - remember the books of Europe (including those of Greek and Roman times) survive even today
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by In on Mar 02, 2007 06:59 PM Permalink
Other books are changed and are therefore lost. Therefore I referred to christian who actually had read the original Injeel (book frm god).
Only Quran is preserved in Original till now. And nothing is found wrong there till now. If you actually see the authentic one.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 03, 2007 02:21 AM Permalink
Koran is not only wrong but it contradicts itself in so many places that it leads credence to the claim that Muhammad made it up as he went along. Just a short example , please explain the Satanic Verses from the Koran, don't they encourage idolatry and polytheism. He added that verse when he had to appease the Qur'ash. Later when his followers admonished Muhammad for compromising Islam he claimed he was misled by Satan. Now that begs the question how do we know that the rest of the Koran is not dictated by Satan. History would certainly attest to that claim.
This is the 21st century please get your heads out of your backsides. The world has moved on from such primitive thinking.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
the story of Adam is just a fabricated one, besides the world was not created in 7 days, like the religions of West Asia believe
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by In on Mar 02, 2007 07:04 PM Permalink
Both were messenger and both told whatever GOD told them to tell people...
Therefore Mohammad despite of not-knowing Injeel (Bible); brought down Quran very much similar to Injeel, (i dont know exactly but heard somewhere it to be 95% similar). And the differences may be because of people changing Injeel.
Moreover Allah said to stop going deep into the previous revealed books and this is the final book brought down as Quran. And GOD took his own responsibilities to preserve it till Qayamat, for good people/ muslims to get benefited
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 05:09 PM Permalink
Dear In, From intuitive dreams I can tell you that God has given each region a different religion according to their intellectual capabilities. While the Arabs got only Islam because of their Barbarism (they're still Barbaric aren't they?), India got Sanathana Dharma (Hinduism) & Meditation. The West (America, Europe, Australia etc.) have also reached great intellectual levels & are therefore accepting Meditation, Yoga, Past life regressions, telepathy, chakra balancing, karma clearing etc., because they find it useful & effective. E-mail me on dr_ramanand@rediffmail.com to learn these things, if interested
You meen to say Mohammed is the first name(word)which is Ohm as per Hindu beleif. If you are correct Mohammed will the ParaBrahma as per Hindu beleif from which whole universe was originated.
First time I am hearing about Vishnu Bhagat which is not a religious book of significance for Hindus.No Hindus in this world is following that book as a religious one. You will find millions of such books called Sruthis and Smrithies. Sruthi is some thing you heard from some where which is not authentic. Smrithy is some thing written from the memory of a person which is also not authentic.
The Vedas, Puranas, Ramayana and Bhagavata(Bhagavat Gita as part of Bhagavata) are the books of religious significance for Hindus.
I beleive you will admit Quran and Hadiths are authentic. Most people participated are quoting from Quran and Hadiths.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 03, 2007 02:10 AM Permalink
It wasn't helpful it's just the same crap repeated all over again. Just because you keep repeating things over and over again doesn't make them facts.
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by In on Mar 02, 2007 05:01 PM Permalink
Head line is somewhat this:
Chicago: PROPHET MOHAMMED (PBUH) IN HINDUISM Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhyay, a Hindu professor, in his stunning book claims that the description of the "Avatar" found in the holy books of the Hindu religion, matches the Holy Prophet Mohammed (PBUH).
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by Secular Indian on Mar 04, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
From everything I've read now and I've tried locating references to find this elusive Pandit PVU. It's only the Muslim websites especially the ones sympathetic to Dr. Zakir Naiks claims that refer to this man. There is doubt that he even existed. It could all be a well organized fraud/fake not that the book contains anything even remotely close to believable but that is a different matter.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
please understand that to date i am yet to see the proof that this great ved prakash upadhyaya ever existed. Even if he existed, let me tell you that no book called, "kalkiavatar aur muhammed sahib" has been ever written. If it has been written, give me the publisher's name or show me any web-site, it is listed in
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:50 PM Permalink
if such a book was published, give us the name and Publisher and where it is available
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:49 PM Permalink
Om is also the sound the Universe makes according to scientists who've been in space
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 04:47 PM Permalink
when Adam himself was just a concoction, how can we believe that the name Mohammed existed before that? Muslims are brought up to be robbers/thieves, terrorists etc., while Hindus are brought up to be good citizens
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by A Pandit on Mar 02, 2007 05:22 PM Permalink
i believe in the Muhammad being mentioned in all the holy scriptures. but i suspect if he is mentioned by all the prophets. even if islam is correct you need to do a lot of studies. please do that before you preach. you have a lot of misconception as well. by the way who told you that muhammad was the first name which was existed even before adam and eve? dont dream and put something from some fake scholers. if you can produce some proof from your holy book Quran and the saying of your prophet of Islam (Mohammad0 then just produce it otherwise stop misguiding to every one. already my hindu brothers are misguided here. non of them know anything about thier own religion and you are trying to give islam with your own (and of course fake) theory. stop it at once...
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by biju nair on Mar 02, 2007 05:33 PM Permalink
Mr.In, You and Mr. pandit Ved Prakash? are trying to prove Muhammed is Kalki Avtar I assume.
For Your information Kali Yug started 5000 years back. Total span of Kali Yuga is 432000 years. Kalki Avtar is supposed to come at the end of Kali Yuga which is 427000 years away. So there is no question of Muhammed being the Kalki Avtar. Description of Kali Yuga says lot of false Gods and false representatives of Gods will come and misguide people.
The below pasted URL will give you an idea about Kali Yuga.
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by NAFASAT KHAN on Mar 02, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
Is not this an absurd discussion.Please,Please,please............................limit the role of religion to moral ethics n code of conduct.Beyond that,already religion,particularly Islam n Christianity had made the mankind bloodbathed.The crusades/wars with persia/syria/byzantine!hell,make it any difference I am muslim or christian or hindu or baudh or this or that?If I am not a person sensitive to all,if for me the value of live of a person corresponds to his religious faith,I carry the medivel values like Aurangzeb!friends, try to become a good humanbeing,don't waste time on discussing such matters.Aurangzeb was a very cruel ruler,intolerant not only to hidus,but also to Shia muslims(rulers of deccan kingdoms-bijapur,ahmadnagar,golkundaetc.Bury him in History.Look forward.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 03, 2007 02:29 AM Permalink
But if its not discussed and determined what is it that led Aurangzeb to do what he did (all evidence seems to points to his inspiration from Islam), how can it stopped in the future.
"Good" Muslims are still defending what he did in the name of Islam, its pathetic. This leads one to assume that the threat is still very much for real. And where the Muslims will be in power and majority there many among the "Good" muslims who will do it again. Look at Pakistan and Bangladesh for a modern day example of what Aurangzeb did.
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by biju nair on Mar 02, 2007 06:34 PM Permalink
Mr.Nafasat Khan,
You are right. All these discussions are point less. Let all religions and their beleivers respect other religions and their followers. Those religions who follows this rule will survive. Those who don't obey this rule will perish no matter how mightier they may be.
For Hindus you survived till now despite being the oldest in Earth and it is because you have some thing spiritual which others lack. Many new religions came and vanished. Lot of them will come in the future and will vanish also. many of the current ones will also vanish.
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by raghav bhatt on Mar 03, 2007 04:31 PM Permalink
Dear friend, It is fine that you have taken some part & try to corelate with some meaning of the name. Ok I will accept. Pl. accept the rest of the parts of Vedas & Puranas & follow them. Is it possible for you? So, for your convinience dont try to interprate something.
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by Name on Mar 05, 2007 12:28 PM Permalink
I am not interpreting its been done by your own Pandits. I just broughgt the info. Its upto u if u dont want to learn.
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by Dr_Ramanand Rao on Mar 09, 2007 05:20 PM Permalink
please understand that to date i am yet to see the proof that this great ved prakash upadhyaya ever existed. Even if he existed, let me tell you that no book called, "kalkiavatar aur muhammed sahib" has been ever written. If it has been written, give me the publisher's name or show me any web-site, it is listed in
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by biju nair on Mar 03, 2007 04:39 AM Permalink
Dear Secular Indian,
It is futile to argue with these Guys. They don't have any strong religious foundation. Mohammed him self was knowing that. That is why he was repeating again and again it is from Allah. Allah wanted Muslims to protect their week religion. Which they does by Jihad.
Strong men doesn't need protection. Only week men and cowards need protection.
Muslims know they are already defeated spiritually and ideologically hence the physical aggression and holy wars to cover it up.
Let us see how long they can protect their weekest religion with media propoganda and violence.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 03, 2007 05:26 AM Permalink
Good point, it makes perfect sense, otherwise there wont be a need to resort to violence.
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by raghav bhatt on Mar 03, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, Pl.forward the pages which contain the name of mohamad .i want to see. Pl.dont send the pages of Bhavishya puran( as one can under stand after reading this,that this is written may be in the 19 th cenury-or at least updated).Vedas means out of 4 vedas Rigveda, yajurveda, Samaveda or Atharvanaveda, pl. show details about him
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by sanjay Bhadury on Mar 03, 2007 08:10 PM Permalink
oh my god! are you guys fighting over gods( god is going to repent he created men). My view is all faiths are good as long as it do not harm others, specially good one( a catch).
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by Chankya Pandit on Mar 05, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Hey Bhaduri! dont press the 'abuse' button. face the discussion. here is secular indian's message again:
by Secular Indian on Mar 04, 2007 03:14 PM | Hide message I don't really think anyone here is fighting over "GODS", the problem is trying to establish authenticity for a claim made by Dr. Zakir Naik that Muhammad's birth was predicted in the Bhavishya Purana and that this was written about in book authored by a certain Pandit PVU. That is all!
