Is there any historical documentary evidence that Rama ruled India? No. Can the so called Brahmin Scholars quote any Western historian to their support? On the other hand they tell us without any historical evidence. That an Aryan (god Rama) had ruled India. Since Rama was a Brahmin he would have come from Central Asia as any other Aryan. Hence he is an invader. How can Rama claim India to be his.
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by Vaj on Mar 07, 2007 05:56 PM Permalink
Evidence from the Vedas It was therefore concluded that light-skinned nomads from Central Asia who wiped out the indigenous culture and enslaved or butchered the people, imposing their alien culture upon them had invaded the Indian subcontinent. They then wrote down their exploits in the form of the Rg Veda. This hypothesis was apparently based upon references in the Vedas that point to a conflict between the light-skinned Aryans and the dark-skinned Dasyus. 2 This theory was strengthened by the archeological discoveries in the Indus Valley of the charred skeletal remains that we have mentioned above. Thus the Vedas became nothing more than a series of poetic tales about the skirmishes between two barbaric tribes.
However, there are other references in the Rg Veda 3 that point to India being a land of mixed races. The Rg Veda also states that "We pray to Indra to give glory by which the Dasyus will become Aryans." 4 Such a statement confirms that to be an Aryan was not a matter of birth.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:01 PM Permalink
There is no evidence in the Vedas, the word Aryan itself is made up by Max Mueller. The vediv people refer to people of nobility as aryas. There is no archaeological evidence to support it. Finally even the encyclopedia Britannica which is rather conservative in these matters have put a question mark next to it. So please fix your ignorance first.
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by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
The Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb (born 1618, reigned 1658-1707) is the most reviled of all Muslim rulers in India. He was supposed to be a great destroyer of temples and oppressor of Hindus, and a 'fundamentalist' too! As chairman of the Allahabad Municipality (1948-53), Dr Pande had to deal with a land dispute between two temple priests. One of them had filed in evidence some farmans (royal orders) to prove that Aurangzeb had, besides cash, gifted the land in question for the maintenance of his temple. Might they not be fake, Dr Pande thought, in view of Aurangzeb's fanatically anti-Hindu image? He showed them to his friend, Sir Tej Bahadur Sapru, a distinguished lawyer as well a great scholar of Arabic and Persian. He was also a Brahmin. Sapru examined the documents and declared they were genuine farmans issued by Aurangzeb.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 08, 2007 05:17 AM Permalink
Why is it that Muslims think that if a Hindu says so then it must be true ? Is it because they can't think for themselves, Mike Gandhi certainly lives up to that reputation.
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by chaitanya kumar on Mar 07, 2007 06:16 PM Permalink
say the same thing to a hardcore Shir Ram worshipper and see what happens to you.
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by Vaj on Mar 07, 2007 06:29 PM Permalink
Look at his age when he broke the bow. When God Rama broke this bow, according to his mother, he was then 5 years old, according to his father, he was about 10. According to his wife (Sita) his age was 12. Whatever it might be but it was already a broken is true according to the story.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:25 PM Permalink
Hinduism is not like Islam, you will find that your claim regarding Ram doesn't offend all Hindus. It really is quite amazing that (if you are an Indian) you are clueless about the basics of Hinduism.
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by Vaj on Mar 07, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
HINDUISM IS NOT A RELIGION ,It may be true that the Ramayna and Mahabarath are famous stories of the past. But there is no scientific proof to authenticate such stories. For example. If Hanuman built a bridge, where is it now ? All the above stories are saying as though India was the whole Universe. How can one accept that a river and moon is on the head of Lord Shiva. If the river is on Sivas head the moon also should be next to that, i. e. on the Himalayas!
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by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:47 PM Permalink
If the story doesn't make sense then it's crap, I agree with you. Given that you've learned something new today, why don't you now apply your new found critical thinking to the Koran, just for fun
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by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:45 PM Permalink
Yeah, it's a story but even if you got rid of the Ramayan and the Mahabharat there would still be Hinduism. If you got rid of the Koran there would be no Islam. Hinduism is a lot more than two books. If you bother to read the Rig Veda and the "Hymn of creation", you will perhaps get a better understanding. To Hindus it doesn't matter that some books have contradictions, it's actually irrelevant. You are wasting your time.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 07, 2007 06:51 PM Permalink
Lets apply your new found interest in the scientific method to the the Islamic legend of Muhammad%u2019s journey on flying horse from Makkah (Mecca) to Jerusalem.
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by Mike Gandhi on Mar 07, 2007 08:52 PM Permalink
The Mughal Emperor Aurangzeb (born 1618, reigned 1658-1707) is the most reviled of all Muslim rulers in India. He was supposed to be a great destroyer of temples and oppressor of Hindus, and a 'fundamentalist' too! As chairman of the Allahabad Municipality (1948-53), Dr Pande had to deal with a land dispute between two temple priests. One of them had filed in evidence some farmans (royal orders) to prove that Aurangzeb had, besides cash, gifted the land in question for the maintenance of his temple. Might they not be fake, Dr Pande thought, in view of Aurangzeb's fanatically anti-Hindu image? He showed them to his friend, Sir Tej Bahadur Sapru, a distinguished lawyer as well a great scholar of Arabic and Persian. He was also a Brahmin. Sapru examined the documents and declared they were genuine farmans issued by Aurangzeb.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 08, 2007 05:22 AM Permalink
By posting the same drivel over and over again will not make it the truth, this may have been the preferred method at the Madrassah from where you graduated but I'm sorry to have to disappoint you, but it doesn't actually work in the real world. Many have tried but alas failed. You may have to look in the Koran again perhaps in the science section. I hope that helps.
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by Sheikh Hasina on Mar 07, 2007 06:03 PM Permalink
Neither was Lord Rama a Brahmin, nor did any Aryan invade the country. Refresh your knowledge and at least do basic research when you are writing. By the way, NASA has discovered the Rama Setu, on the ocean floor, a 48x1.2 km manually made bridge of rock. It was over water up to 500 years ago. Only rising ocean water has submerged it on the ocean floor. Aryans migrated to Central Asia from Bharat and not the other way around as Max Mueller had theorised only to not offend biblical teaching
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by Fauwad Hurzuk on Mar 07, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
brave and outspoken people do not disguise under false identities... Hope you get what I mean.
