SHOULD WE LOVE EVILS, FALSEHOODS, UNJUST/CRUELS GUYS, RESISTING KINGS, AND THOSE PEOPLE WHO COME ON THE WAY OF PROPAGATION OF TRUTH AND JUSTICE?????
You should know.... Ashoka killed even more before he became Bhuddhist. Jews killed many more... and even tried Jesus. Brahmins killed many Bhuddhists during 50-300 AD. Chengis and Timor killed many more muslims. Godse/RSS killed Gandhi. and American/British CHEMICAL/BIOLOGICAL/NUCLEAR warfares have killed MAXIMUM (MORE THAN THE SUM OF ALL EARLIER ONES). even today they are killing for no reason.... only for OIL&Power.
RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 03:17 PM Permalink
Sure non-muslims have indulged in wholesale killing, look at what the Nazis did to the Jews. Yes Ashoka killed thousands in battle before he became a Buddhist but he saw the evil of his ways and repented later. When are muslims going to do the same ? Lets start with you, since you've just discovered these facts.
What was Aurangzeb doing ? Are you trying to now claim that because Nazis killed Jews therefore it's OK for Muslims to kill Hindus and convert them to Islam ? Are you on crack ?
RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by In on Mar 01, 2007 04:19 PM Permalink
Any one Muslim or non-muslim if he has killed/ troubled/ abused innocents; he did wrong/.. but why its been repeated in this civilized scientific world by Hindus and has enough support of good educated people also.
Don't dig the grave centuries old, lets make the todays world better.
I ofen hear from Muslim saying Indian as "Non-muslim Brothers". Because they believe they too are the decendants of Adam.. the first man on this earth.
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:35 AM Permalink
Let me just point a lapse of memory here. Who demanded Pakistan ? Hindus or Muslims, what selective memory you have. This was not 500 years ago just recent history. Whats stopping the Hindus from believing that where the Muslims are in majority, they will not again start demanding a new Pakistan or Bangladesh ?
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Perv Sharma on Mar 03, 2007 05:25 PM Permalink
In
Pakistan was created not centuries before you was born, go to school and read the date it was created, go and read about kashmir (half of kashmir is with pakistan and one part of the Kashmir area conquered by Pakistan was handed over to China.
More than 3 Lac Hindus evicted from Kashmir probably during your youth. So, it's not a old grave. It's people with your attitude who have ended up doing this and hence ended up as slave.
RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 03:29 PM Permalink
Here is the true story as recorded by Muslims regarding what happened to Buddhists:
The story of an assault upon the Mahavihara at Odantapura, Bihar in 1198 was told long afterwards, in 1243 by an eye-witness to the Persian historian Minhaz. In his book, Tabaquat-I-Nasiri, he reported as follows (refer to Buddhist Monks and Monasteries of India, Part V, 3, by Sukumar Dutt):
%u201CMost of the inhabitants of the place were Brahmanas with shaven heads (monks). They were put to death. Large numbers of books were found there, and when the Mahammadans saw them, they called for some person to explain the contents. But all of the men were killed. It was discovered that the whole fort and city was a place for study (madrasa): in the Hindi language the word Bihar (i.e. Vihara) means a college.%u201D
In the destruction of the University of Nalanda, the same histor-ian recorded that thousands of monks were burned alive and yet more thousands beheaded, and the burning of the library continued for several months.
The extermination of Buddhist monks dealt a fatal blow to the organization of the Sangha in India. With the monks gone, no one was left to carry on their work or lead the demoralized laity who were forcibly converted to Islam or absorbed into Hinduism and Jainism.
RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 01, 2007 04:38 PM Permalink
The unfortunate part is that you don't really know much about your own civilization. If you don't like the caste system by all means eradicate it from your life and start a campaign to eradicate it around the country. If there are other ills that you think need to be purged do it. But don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Hindu philosophy ranges from the Atheist to the polytheist, try and acquaint yourself with the Vedant, for a glimpse and see for yourself the heights to which the human mind can soar, savor the beauty of the language in which it is recorded. You will not be disappointed.
RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by In on Mar 01, 2007 05:40 PM Permalink
U really read Vedas, good. Do u about Bhavishya veda and kalki avatar, Now can u tell the symptoms visible in Kalki avatars. And who resembled him exactly in the past.. As proven by some of the imminent pandits in India, like Ved Prakash Upadhaya.
You hv good scripts but u urself don't believe in it.. Bring out good from the script not bad from just anywhere.
As an argument to prove the authenticity of his research, Pundit Vaid Parkash quotes from the Veda, a sacred book among Hindus:
Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be the last Messenger / Prophet of Bhagwan (Allah) to guide the whole world. Afer quoting this reference the Pundit Parkash says that this comes true only in the case of Muhammed (saw).
According to a prophecy of Hinduism, 'kalki autar' will be born in an island and that is the Arab territory which is known as 'jazeeratul Arab'.
In the 'sacred' book of Hindus the father's name of 'kalki autar' is mentioned as 'Vishnu Bhagat' and his mother's name as 'somanib'. In sanskrit, 'vishnu' stands for Allah (swt) and the literal meaning of 'bhagat' is slave. 'Vishnu Bhagat' therefore, in the Arabic language will mean Allah's slave (Abdullah). 'Somanib' in Sanskrit means peace and tranquilty which in arabic is denoted by the word 'Amina'. Whereas the last Messenger Muhammed's (saw) father and mother's names were Abdullah and Amina respectively.
In the big books of Hindus, it is mentioned that 'kalki autar' will live on olive and dates and he will be true to his words and honest. In this regard Pundit Parkash writes, "This is true and established only in the case of Muhammed (saw)".
Veda mentions that 'kalki autar' will be born in the respected and noble dynasty of his land. And this is also true as regards Muhammed (saw) as he was born in the respected tribe of Quraish who enjoyed great respect and high place in Makkah.
'Kalki Autar' will be taught in the cave by Bhagwan through his own messenger. And it is very true in this matter. Muhammed (saw) was the only one person in Makkah who has taught by Allah's Messenger Gabriel in the cave of Hira.
It is written in the books which Hindus believe that Bhagwan will provide 'Kalki autar' with the fastest of a horse and with the help of which he will ride around the world and the seven skies/heavens. The riding on 'Buraq' and 'Meraj' by the Prophet Muhammed (saw) proves what?
It is also written in the Hindus' books that 'kalki autar' will be strengthened and heavily helped by Bhagwan. And we know this fact that Muhammed (saw) was aided and reinforced by Allah (swt) through His angels in the battle of Badr.
Hindus' books also mention that 'kalki autar' will be an expert in horse riding, arrow shooting, and swordsmanship. What Pundit Vaid Parkash comments in this regard is very important and worth attention and consideration. He writes that the age of horses, swords, and spears is long ago gone and now is the age of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, and guns, and therefore it will be unwise to wait for 'kalki autar' bearing sword and arrows or spears. In reality, the mention in our books of 'kalki autar' is clearly indicative of Muhammed (saw) who was given the heavenly book known as Al-Qur'an.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Name on Mar 01, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
The above text is the outcome of your Bhavishyaveda amd kalki avatar; look into the net for Kalki Avatar by Pundit Ved Prakash.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 02:20 AM Permalink
For one most people who say go and read this or go and read that haven't actually read it themselves. Since there is no Bhavishya Veda, I suspect you haven't read it either, because there is no such Veda. Even though this is grounds to ignore your post, I'm curious. There is a Bavishya Purana, I'm assuming you are referring to that.
Just some (general) fallacies in your claims You are assuming that non-muslims accept Muhammad to be some sort of Avatar.
Vishnu -> Allah , what non-sense. The highest force according to Hinduism is Brahman not a Mr. God. Brahman is Nirgun and Nirakar. That alone shoots to bits this ridiculous claim by Dr. Naik. This concept of Mr. God comes from the Abrahamic tradition, the equivalent in Hinudism are the deities which are lesser than Brahman. So by your logic Muslims are Hindus and should be absorbed as another sect of Hinduism.
Given that you don't understand such a basic fact about Hinduism, it seems pointless to continue.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:WHAT DO YOU WANT Mr. Secular....??????
by Secular Indian on Mar 02, 2007 10:21 AM Permalink
Here is the core argument, the rest is just too painful to inflict on more intelligent readers. Frankly I actually feel foolish refuting the claim, the claims is so bloody stupid.
" In the books of Hindus, the names of the father and the mother of Kalki Avatar are given as Vishnubhagat and Sumaani respectively. If we examine the meanings of these names, we shall come to a very interesting conclusion, e.g. take Vishnubhagat: Vishnu (meaning god) Bhagat (meaning slave) = Allah (in Arabic) = Slave of God = Abdullah (in Arabic). Sumaani = Peace or Calmness = Aaminah (in Arabic) "
Let me show you the this stupid technique in reverse first:
Lets look at the name Muhammad. He was a man who claimed to be the messenger of God, now if we look at his name we can see something very interesting.
Mu = (I) just like the French Moi Ham = as in pig meat, loved pork Mad = as in English insane
Given that his name means I ate ham and that I'm mad we can draw the conclusion that Pork is bad for you.
