those were the days of military rule. subjects and citizens wished to have the strongest and the wisest as their ruler. everybody had got a right to prove himself to be the best ruler. and only war between the different candidates could judge, who would be the best. no matter what relationship the candidates had between themselves.
We know that a state, a kingdom or a government is for basically giving peace and justice in a society. Peace can be hampered for a while to bring a larger justice....like a situation of war. and again little injustice can be justified to bring and keep the larger peace around.....like a situation of curfew in any area.
and the expansion of an empire is also not unjust. Mughal emperors did it like Ashoka and Alexander-the Greats conquered lands and made empires. AurangZeb in particular might have been more intolerant towards the injustices of Brahmins on the lower castes.... and also towards the social/spiritual/physical evil acts/rituals that were prevalent in the temples of those days. he had got his own personality and methodology........ open to critism from all. but making this issue a tool of condeming all muslim kings and religion of Islam is a sheer foolishness.... and even dangerous for society as a whole.
We forget that AurangZeb took Zakat from Muslims as Jizya from NonMuslims. No Muslim king went to Kerala/Srilanka.... but think how Islam reached there... and in fact muslims are 30% in population. Same is the case for Indonesia and Malayshya.... where 40 crore muslims live.
Every body will say ....... this is the case of ONLY TRUTH PREVAILS..... whether Rome... india.... persia..... russia... africa etc.
and the EVIL had to go ..... like Ravanism... Chengism.. Temoorism.... Hitlerism... Stalinism... Britishism... Saddamism etc. In future also the EVIL will have to go.... Bush/CIA... Israel/JewishPlot.... Musharraf/ISI Modism/Advanism or any evil... all will go.
Only the good names of Taoism/Confucionism/Rama/Krishna /Abraham/Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Hazrat Nizamuddin/Chishti Ajmeri/ BahadurShahZafar / Bose /Gandhi will remain and PREVAIL.
RE:Understand the Basics, please!!!!!!!!
by Secular Indian on Feb 22, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
"AurangZeb in particular might have been more intolerant towards the injustices of Brahmins on the lower castes.... and also towards the social/spiritual/physical evil acts/rituals that were prevalent in the temples of those days. he had got his own personality and methodology.."
I can only assume you are joking, Aurangzeb recast as Hindu reformist. This is the silliest thing I've read so far, it ranks up there with this another gem from this Muslim "intellectual" whose name has been invoked to give some sort of legitimacy to the claim that Islam is peaceful etc. My advice to his followers is you will be better of avoiding him, his childish arguments must be painful and embarrassing to watch for the more sensible Muslims. The link is below: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIcS-eZ71yg&mode=related&search=
RE:Understand the Basics, please!!!!!!!!
by Secular Indian on Feb 22, 2007 12:54 PM Permalink
As long as Aurangzeb kept his activities to expanding his empire and not forcibly converting the Hindus to Islam and destroying their temples and schools, what you claim is valid. However as the article points and an impartial and objective reading of History will demonstrate he was hell bent on destroying the Hindu civilization and replacing it with Islam. It can't be ignorance that make you fight facts, it has to be something else. Like the old saying goes "Ignorance can be fixed stupidity can't"
RE:RE:RE:Understand the Basics, please!!!!!!!!
by Secular Indian on Feb 22, 2007 03:10 PM Permalink
I will answer the question regarding Kerala and ignore the rest as they are of no concern to Indians. If the Malayasians and Indonesians are happy with Islam then more power to them. I've also fixed a typo below.
Excerpts from Tipu's letters as researched by the distinguished Kerala historian K. M. Panicker, which he reviewed in the Bhasha Poshini magazine, August 1923:
1. Letter dated March 22, 1788, to Abdul Kadir: "Over 12,000 Hindus were honoured with Islam. There were many Namboodri Brahmins among them. This achievement should be widely publicised among the Hindus. Then the local Hindus should be brought before you and converted to Islam. No Namboodri Brahmin should be spared. "
2. Letter dated December 14, 1788, to his army chief in Calicut: " I am sending two of my followers with Mir Hussain Ali. With their assistance, you should capture and kill all Hindus. Those below 20 may be kept in prison and 5000 from the rest should be killed from the tree-tops. These are my orders."
3. Letter dated January 18, 1790, to Syed Abdul Dulai: " ...almost all Hindus in Calicut are converted to Islam. I consider this as Jehad."
I hope that answers your question regarding Kerala. Regarding people who choose to accept Islam on their own volition again I say their choice, good luck to them. It's childish to look for poster boys to prop a weak argument.
RE:Understand the Basics, please!!!!!!!!
by Golu Gayani on Feb 28, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
Well tried Mr Ahmad, but you failed to justify that Auranzeb was an evil. A tytrran, who mass murdered good folks and destoryed the Nice things.
