Why is it that if a Muslim chooses to convert to another religion, he has to be killed? I am not sure about my facts, but I have always wondered about this
Salam, Sara.
I took some time to think about your question, which must also be on the minds of many people.
We Muslims believe that Islam is an action of the heart. In other words, all aspects of the Qur'an and the Sunnah stress the fact that no one is to be forced to accept Islam, whether through conversion or through remaining a Muslim.
Many verses in the Qur'an testify to this fact, where we read what means:
*{And say: The truth is from your Lord, so let him who please believe, and let him who please disbelieve.}*(Al-Kahf 18:29)
The very meaning of the Arabic word deen, which is translated into English as "religion," relates more to the heart and the inner self of man. Many other occurrences in the Qur'an testify to this fact and make the killing of someone because of that person changing his or her religion a taboo.
A close study of the life of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), which serves as an example for all Muslims to learn how to practice Islam and carry out its injunctions, will show us that he never killed people who changed their religion or left Islam, for the reason of their leaving Islam.
In incidents when the Prophet commended the killing of some people, it was because they had committed an offense to the Muslim community, threatening its safety, or because they had killed someone and were killed themselves in retaliation. Therefore, killing them had nothing to do with their apostasy.
In fact, many Islamic scholars support the view that there is no prescribed punishment (hadd) for apostasy. In doing this, they use both reason and strong evidence from Qur'an and Sunnah.
Hadd is a punishment allocated and defined by Shari`ah as a punishment for infringing a certain prohibition or limit. For example, the hadd for adultery is lashing for an unmarried adulterer and adulteress. The number of the lashes allocated for the carrying out of this punishment is 100 lashes. Therefore, if someone who has committed adultery and is proven guilty is lashed 100 lashes, this will mean that the hadd has not been applied. This means no one can decrease or increase the degree of the punishment.
The hadd is a well-defined punishment, and is explained by Allah in both the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Furthermore, the hadd cannot be reneged. That is to say, there is no pardon once a person is proven guilty. For example, if someone is proven to have consumed alcohol and is brought for punishment, a judge cannot forgive and release this person without applying the hadd on him.
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by Jeffrey Mittal on Apr 12, 2007 09:44 PM Permalink
Reding this repeat post, afew doubts came to my mind
"In incidents when the Prophet commended the killing of some people, it was because they had committed an offense to the Muslim community, threatening its safety, or because they had killed someone and were killed themselves in retaliation. Therefore, killing them had nothing to do with their apostasy."
What is defined as an offense to the Muslim community?
Anybody a muslim thinks that is an enemy, i.e., non-believers in the Muslin faith
I think that the evidence shows that this has been used to murder anybody who does not agree with a certain point of view.
Even the "Apostasy Wars" that were fought after the death of the Prophet were actually wars against dissenters who refused to conform to the law of the state and began an organized rebellion, which were tantamount to treason at that time. In fact, these were wars to protect the safety of the state and to ensure the supremacy of the law governing everyone living within the borders of the Muslim state during that time."
Can you tell me if this law was seperate from Muslim law?
If it was not, then how is diffrerent from killing people for their religious beliefs?
The history of Muslim majority countries show this to otherwise.
So, please reply with facts not propoganda.
"There is more evidence that the Prophet did not kill or punish anyone for leaving Islam, as there is no allocated hadd, in a hadith. A Bedouin came to the Prophet and asked to take back his pledge of allegiance, i.e. to leave Islam. The Prophet was addressed three times and did not answer until the man left. The Prophet did not harm him in the least, but said, "Truly, Madinah gets rid of its filth exactly as fire removes the filth of iron." (Al-Bukhari"
"gets rid of its filth" SOunds like a call to arms to me, i.e. get rid of him, ???
The issue remains is why is there so much brutality in "Apostasy Wars" and in the las 1400 years, which has to be justified.
"In short, there is no clear evidence in Islam to say that a person who leaves Islam has to be killed"
What do yuo mean by that?
Are you implying that you have ANY JUSTIFICATION, to kill some one who does not agree with yuor set of beliefs?
BTW, the usual abuse techniques that you have used below will not answer the question or stop the questions.
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by Truth Finder on Apr 12, 2007 10:12 PM Permalink
In incidents when the Prophet commended the killing of some people, it was because they had committed an offense to the Muslim community, threatening its safety, or because they had killed someone and were killed themselves in retaliation. Therefore, killing them had nothing to do with their apostasy.
Could you read it again and again. that you can understand it. It clearly said the killing of some people nothing to do with their apostasy.
The Indian Government killing thousands of Naxals for what? It is not the religion. Due to rebellion against the government and threat to the safety of Indians.
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by Truth Finder on Apr 12, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
In above case you are killing to Indians. Mixing, concocted, fabrication truth would not serve the human cause. We know some Jewish, Hindu and Christian created such websites and since centuries people asking same questions. Same question. Why not dear go to Islamonline or Islamic Research Foundation of Indian site go there and ask question they will answers all question.
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by raghav bhatt on Apr 14, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
SAME QUESTIONS JUST LIKE YOU PEOPLE ARE PUTTING THE SAME LIES ABOUT BLOODY AURANGAZB & GOOD THINGS ABOUT ISLAM. YOU PEOPLE NEVER TRIED TO ANSWER THE BAD THINGS ABOUT ISLAM RAISED BY WADA PAV, INDIAN ETC.
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by raghav bhatt on Apr 15, 2007 10:56 AM Permalink
That means only sites which you people like are the sites tell truth. Others lie? Good!You have not answered to any questions. Only you have posting the same old things or abusing Old hindu customs(which are no way in practise now) or refering Hindu books which only you people will read to find out some bad things. You have not answered any of the questions Raised by Wada Pav about the bad things in Koran. You only succeded in abusing the message & hiding that. Which is the only thing you can do
