RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by ramesh joshi on Feb 19, 2007 01:18 PM Permalink
Buddy, are you saying that we should not study history just because it "hurts sentiments of muslims"? Now eat this: India is a democratic country. NOt an Inslamic state. So if somebody says something, even if to raise controversy, it is allowed in India (may be not allowed in your country-Pakistan, but allowed here). If you does not like that, go to Pakistan.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by on Feb 19, 2007 12:29 PM Permalink
Cah mon dude....you've gotta be smarter than this. If Aurangzeb was a dickwad, and he's destroyed historic sites to market islam, then how 'bout you muslims undo the damage by returning these sites to their rightful owners?
Instead of trying to prove your disagreement with Aurangzeb with useless words, why don't you talk to your Imam or whomever and come to a consensus that many of your mosques are built on stolen land? Why do you hold on to the spoils of Aurangzeb's theiving spree and bullshit everyone that you do NOT support him?
Go on man - return what your ancestors stole, raped and looted, and then we'll talk about whether you're actually upholding Aurangzeb's ideals. It is impossible to separate Aurangzeb's actions from his religion - why? because his religion was the cause of his actions. I don't say that Islam is evil or christianity is evil. What I say is that you guys need to undo the wrongs of the past, and then everyone will understand that Aurangzeb was a bad man NOT because he was a muslim, but in spite of it.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Secular Indian on Feb 19, 2007 07:44 AM Permalink
You believe he was a tyrant then that is a start. The author of the article is trying to demonstrate/show/explain where this intolerance towards other religions originates. A more modern example is the Taliban in Bamiyan, even though centuries apart the ideology and justification are the same. How many muslims (in the Ummah) held protests to drum up oppositions to this patently stupid action ? Zero. There is a tacit approval and justification in Islam for such acts. You make the mistake of assuming that anyone that questions anything about Islam hates Muslims, which is again reflective of the "You are either with us or against us mentality" that is the foundation of this zealotry.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Vas on Feb 19, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
Well, good for you. At least you acknowledge that Aurang was a tyrant, and nothing but a tyrant. But can's say the same for other Indian muslims who still live in denial and hold on to the 'romantic' notion of Aurang being a great emperor (whatéver greatness means to them). Perhaps they don't want to admit that their ancestors are all victims of rape and forceful conversions. Perhaps its time to accept the reality of your history, adn the true face of islam. It was never, and can never, be a religion of peace. There will always be a muslim crusader from somewhere trying to slaughter, maim, kill, rape, plunder, etc other non-muslims. It is inherent to the religion.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Secular Indian on Feb 19, 2007 07:38 AM Permalink
Your mind reading skills are surpassed only by your ability to defend an untenable argument. I don't hate muslims and it's irrelevant whether Jaswant Singh was his commander or not. It's doubtful that Jaswant Singh colluded with Aurangzeb to destroy Hindu temples and forcefully convert them to Islam, because it doesn't then make sense for him to remain Hindu. Secondly when he died (in 1679) "Aurangzeb occupied his Kingdom of Marwar and simultaneously imposed the jaziya tax on the non-Muslims. The earlier decree of 1669 on temple destruction was now openly enforced and extended into the Rajput territories like Marwar, Mewar, Shekhawati, Bundelkhand, and Malwa." See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramsingh_I One can only conclude that because of Jaswant Singh, Aurangzeb was forced to spare the temples in Rajasthan.
Please don't use selective (and deliberately) factoids to come up with lame refutations/excuses and peddle the same old nonsense and apologetic bullshit.
RE:RE:Why are muslims so easily offended ?
by Nishan K on Feb 19, 2007 07:47 AM Permalink
You are wrong, no one wants to use Aurangzeb as tool.. but, they are shocked to see comments like " This is Truth by fazal siddiqui on Feb 17, 2007 07:37 PM .. Aurangzeb was a great King of Indian history". What was this monster's greatness? Killing Hindus?
