i wish to congratulate Francois for doing something that we Indians do not have guts for. why is it that foreigners have to make us realize of our history. no matter what the government does or has done in the past to tamper the history, the truth is that Aurangzeb was a ruthless, cruel and Islamic fanatic. there is so much written about his misdeeds in Hindu and Sikh scriptures. its high time we stand up and accept our great cultural and religious heritage ignoring the dogma taught to us through our history textbooks in school, created by communists.
I too feel angry about what medieval turks, persians, afghans and central asian huns (moghals) did to our people. But practically speaking Muslims are as part and parcel of present day India as Hindus are. If Islam arrived with Arabs & Turks to India starting from 8th century then Vedic people also came as marauders around 1500 BC. So what we should do is accept all the cultures / religions as inherent properties of India that has helped us to evolve. That's how British for instance view their Celtic, Anglo Saxon, Norman ancestory. They don't try to see if Anglo-Saxons were destroyed by Norsemen and so view all present day Swedes as mortal enemies of English. Making this comparison might sound absurd to you.. but treating Muslims as aliens is as absurd as that.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 04:21 AM Permalink
You believe in Aryan Invasion theory. It was not never proved in a peer reviewed basis. Why do you want to go the dangerous path spreading these lies and dividing India on racial lines when most Hindus belive they have been living here for more than those dates you quote. Hinduism did not develop and the culture that cannot be easily comprehended, did not develop in few hundred years. It took many thousands of years. The maraauers you quote comes from Max Mueller who was closely related to powerful christian missionaries. The Aryan-Invasion theory was demolished by many and will continued to be so. The issue is, most Indians still fall for fair skin, are racist people, so it takes time to get it in their heads that their history was not about the colour theory proposed by goras for their self-interests. Most of the people living in India were there here when Mohenjadora and Harappa came crashing down and others moved here. Who came later are very few, and the last they did was converted to Hinduism. Their goals were different. Hinduism originated in India. Get it through your head. The pagan spirit has reformed and has evolved in it's own.
You need to Spread the lies for what? appeasing Muslims?
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 04:32 AM Permalink
Aryan-Invasion theory was grounded in 18th century and came out on it's own in 19th century. It has lost a lot of weight in 20th century. Brits were smart dudes. They classified some castes as Martian tribes and the Pakis believe in that theory. They believe one of them can take on 10 Hindus. Lies man. It will be demolished as time passes on. Aryan-invasion theory is bogus. None of Hindu nationalists vouch for it. We were here for millenia developing our culture when the the goras didn't know how to cook their food or to tailor any clothes to cover their organs. What happened later was degeneration and isolation. They must be corrected.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 04:53 AM Permalink
well, Indian Muslim, the guy whose post i was replying to, wanted Muslims and their Islam to be treated on par with everything else in India because he thought things came hunting from Central Asia, even Hinduism he believes. That's fine to treat everyone equally. But he was distorting facts and there must be some motive that drives it. Some devious mind at work.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 18, 2007 05:01 AM Permalink
No. Most respected Historians with any credibility wouldn't either. Others will propagate the myth to see India divided. What drives the Hindu spirit is very deep. Others can spread their lies.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 04:57 AM Permalink
So, if I am right, you would not accept the Aryan-invasion theory Right?
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by Srinivas on Feb 18, 2007 06:42 AM Permalink
Hi Indian Muslim,
Whatever chaitanya has said is correct. Nothing is going against him. He is talking about the facts. Brits have created the Aryan Invasion theory for their own intrests. Just like they have created WMD theory to attack Iraq.
Try to accept the facts. 'Hate' seems to be your favorite thing that you have used in many of your postings to counter people who are talking sensibly.
No Hindu will ever hate good that exists in any religion. If you are really good and a true Indian then do not worry.
Don't you see the fact these very HIndus have parted their land in the form of Pakistan and Bangladesh.
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by talk cool on Feb 18, 2007 08:58 AM Permalink
HINDUISM IS THE ONLY SUVIVING RELIGION WHICH IS NOT STARTED BY ANY ONE INDIVIDUAL.Also it is the oldest relegion on earth today. All the religions which are like that were dead long time ago.Either by foced conversions or anhilation. If you are born hindu u shd be proud & thankful of your fathers, fore-fathers, etc who have carefully preserved this religion from Forced Convertors, Soft Convertors.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 07:23 AM Permalink
So you are saying Imaan was talking sensibly when i said he was spreading Hatred?
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 05:03 AM Permalink
i must agree with you aryan invasion theory has not much to do with appeasing muslim .it was invented to make way for christian missioneries rather than muslims in mind .so that xtian priest can proudly proclaim themselves "son of abrahams" during the prayers. the term "appeasing the muslims" as done by this con'men mean all those activities which are meant to promote the false .irrational and divisive beliefs among muslims at the cost of creating division within the country. the glorification of this evil aurangzeb is just a very little of it. i bet not one of you educated indian muslims would have come out in his support had our education system had tought the correct history. all the goverment has done is to increase the bigotry among muslims instead of trying to remove them,just to be in power. `
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by ded de on Feb 18, 2007 06:19 AM Permalink
correct history have not to do with hatred of islam/muslims but has definitely to do with the danger posed by the bigoted and fundamentalis brand of it as espoused by those kings. we wouldn't be concerned with what had happened 500years ago if that bigotry had died with time. when we see what is happening to kashmiri ,bengali,keralian hindus it reminds us the need to act by learning from that 1000year history.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 18, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
Why does correct history have to have hatred for islam/muslims rather than those kings?
Why does it have to be used to make you hate your next door neighbor muslim? Who wouldnt have had anything to do with anybody 500 years ago? When you yourself claim the conversion theory, why do i have to pay if my ancestors have gone through brutal conversion themselves?
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by Srinivas on Feb 18, 2007 08:12 AM Permalink
Hi Indian Muslim, It is not about kumar talking sense or Imaan talking sense. It is about the truth. It is about the facts. It is about the evidence.
Try looking at the evidence. Do not blindly try to argue. So you want to say Aurangazeb is a pure man. Ha Ha. People will laugh at you.
get corrected yourself with the history.
So you are talking about the right wing Ideology to take the parted land again. Then you accept that Hindus have given away their land. Don't you think it was a big injustice done to Hindus and they were forced to part their land?
Do not try to divert the topic a lot. you will find youself in trouble and ridiculed. Everyone knows the facts.
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by Srinivas on Feb 18, 2007 06:30 AM Permalink
Mr Governor,
Aryan invasion theory is false. It is no more a secret to hide. It is created by the Brits for their own intrests. Golti did not say anything against any religion. All that he said is Indians have to consolidate their culture.
If Brits are holy cows, why did they enter Iraq? They will do whatever is required to build their wealth.
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by Secular Indian on Feb 18, 2007 07:20 AM Permalink
There never was an "Aryan Invasion", it was actually invented by a German Max Mueller who was also a Bible literalist and the time of the invasion 1500BC was chosen by him to coincide with the receding of the biblical flood. It's quite surprising that this conjecture has been so difficult to purge from the Indian mindset. I also believe it is at the heart of the North/South divide which without the Aryan Invasion nonsense is difficult to justify.
