All the temples should be rebuild on which which mosques we build and central government should make the funds available for the same. All the mosques should be removed from holy sites of Hindus and rebuilt to their original glory.
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by Unsung Humanist on Feb 26, 2007 11:58 PM Permalink
I suppose that will solve India's poverty, its grossly imbalanced economics, bring back to life hundreds of farmers who killed themselves, benefit millions denied even basic healthcare. All that they require is God's darshan. Who are you trying to fool, Mr. Gupta. What is your agenda. If reclaiming the "original glory" is your scheme of things, should that be at the cost of development???
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by Chankya Pandit on Feb 28, 2007 03:49 AM Permalink
To: Unsung 'Humanist'
i will start by revealing your true self as your smirkness, leftist chauvinism, pretenciuosness, self-righteousness and unconditional illogical one-sided 'islamic humanism' is so obvious its embarassing. You speak exactly like any indian communist, your posts are testament for that. that shows your agenda here. everyone has an agenda and thats why they are here. wont you agree that you are here for your 'commi sickular agenda' too? who are you trying to fool here 'Mr Leftist'? i and everyone else can see how badly your heart bleeds for 'certain issues'.
As for the poverty, helping farmers commiting suicide, basic healthcare, economy and whatnot that India/Bharat needs and should/could/would have-these are issues which a society nation deals with on a regular continuous level, and there will always be things to be done. indian government is dealing and will deal with these issues. governments come and go, but the Hindu people and nation of Bharat as a collective entity needs answer, and they deserve the TRUTH thats being intentionally destorted and hidden behind the walls of sickularism minority appeasement etc. at the end of the day, India is a Hindu majority country (and thats why secular), and record MUST be set straight viz a viz its past. and if India is developing so fast, its Hindu economy, if you please. no one is saying stop development and build temples on their original places(kashi ayodhya mathura and more). they can happen in parallel. the bigger picture is here of identity and national character. japan is japan, coz of its inherent japanese culture and ethos, so are other countries like china russia rome or saudi arabia. likewise, India has its very own culture and heritage(land of indic religion-namely sanatan dharma, buddism, jainism, sikhism). realising that to be its orginal identity and learning the 'true nature' of islamic rule in India is not only important, but becomes very relevant in the present geo political scenario. its a moral obligation upon every indian to pass on 'history of india as it was'. Lord Hari's Darshan surely is the 'original glory' as you put it. why should not it be? we are not atheist communist from china, for Lord Rama's sake. we will have ayodhya mathura kashi , just like muslims have their makka, xians have their vatican, sikhs have their golden temple in amritsar. its only justified to the majority of people. israel is the homeland of jews, so is India homeland of Hindus(incld. jain,buddist,sikh). muslims and christians are over privilleged guests alongwith communists like you.
PS-muslim majority state of kashmir has passed and imposed shariat law in kashmir. i wonder why!
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by Secular Indian on Feb 27, 2007 05:24 AM Permalink
No it won't but it will restore to the Hindus what was theirs and make them feel safe in their own country and then they can go about fixing the problems you have highlighted. Safety first progress will follow. It's quite obvious actually. After 1000 years of being attacked by every free loader and self-righteous Islamic zealot that doesn't give a toss about the lives and culture of the Hindus but only covets their wealth, don't you think you should cut them some slack regarding their paranoia.
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by Unsung Humanist on Feb 27, 2007 01:27 PM Permalink
Now, please dont foist insecurity on Hindus. They are quite adept at getting along with life unless dooms day theorists like you take on the role of moral crusaders. Where were your self-righteous Hindu zealots when the freedom struggle was at its peak. Tossing Gandhi to the grave may be your idea of free-spirited contribution to the nation's future. Instead of harping on 1000 years of victimhood, allow the rest of the country to progress in peace. I guess with inward thinkers like you, that shoudl be big challenge.
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by Secular Indian on Feb 27, 2007 01:56 PM Permalink
Right. it's like the old joke about being raped. Hindus should just accept and enjoy it. Good advice. The people who killed Gandhi are no heroes of mine so your point is irrelevant. If the Islamofacist agenda was not being enforced from Kashimr to Kanya Kumari we wouldn't be wasting time on this message board. The killing in the name of Islam is still an unfortunate reality. You want to wish it away fine.
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by Unsung Humanist on Feb 27, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
I drew your attention to the Naxalite menace, because that really is a symptom of our times. Urban growth alongside rural deprivation. And that really is the issue that requires our attention. Not stoking up old flames to vitiate the communal atmosphere further. You blame all your insecurities arising out of the new world economic order on imagined enemies. It's like Hollywood dishing out "Aliens" movies and "Independence Day" backwaas, deflecting attention from real problems of global imbalance of wealth. Come on, why do you want the Muslims to remain in the ghettos. On one side you want them to be part of the mainstream, on the other you constantly remind them of their past, keep them insecure by rubbing in teh guilt of Aurangazeb! Would you be comfortable with a second class citizenry at your beck and call. THats how I see it. For centuries, the Muslim rulers illtreated Hindus. So, its payback time. Keep them down !!!1
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by Unsung Humanist on Feb 27, 2007 03:14 PM Permalink
Just as you dont subscribe to the ideology of Gandhi's killers, I don't defend terror of any kind. But I guess the least you could do is to acknowledge that terrorism was not God's deliberate curse on one form of mankind. I agree innocents are killed by terror, but how do you confront it. By fostering the victimhood complex of the majority. How does that achieve semblance of order. If someone feels insecure, you dont show him his place, make him feel guilty of what someone did centuries ago. I guess if you trust in Indian democracy, just accept Muslims as Indians and that would be a very good start. I guess once you are shaken by the lurking Naxalite menace, you will stop shedding crocodile tears.
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by Secular Indian on Feb 28, 2007 05:49 AM Permalink
Unsung Humanist,
I actually have some sympathy for the Naxalites, not their ideology but their cause, the neglect and exploitation of the the poor in India. But I oppose their methodology and find it incumbent to remind the urban and well heeled to spare some thought for the plight of the rural poor of India. As far as I'm concerned Marxism shares the same fascistic tendencies as Islam, just a different Allah. Having got that of my chest. Regarding the Muslims guilt trip wrt to Auranzeb and the likes of him, which pretty much sums up 99% of the muslim rulers, there is none. If they were to acknowledge the true danger of their literalism as has been demonstrated time and time again by their leaders, I will be surprised the Hindus will say AHA now you must pay for all your past sins. What irks Hindus is this constant denial, which leaves the suspicion in their mind that if these guys increase in numbers they are going to do the same thing again. It's just that simple. No amount of sophistry on your or my part is going to change this basic desire for self preservation.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 27, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
It's not about others being an Indian and treating Muslims do. These ideals are not working. When Gandhi couldn't change these guys, how can mortals like you and me do it, unless you believe you are capable to do it. If you think that way, all power to you. But your arguements are not enlightening in that nature. The point is, Muslims must reciprocate. They didn't for so long and these equal treatment, and Indian constitution is shoved at people instead if someone wants to enforce things for people to change. When Islam and Muslims don't accept and reciprocate to criticism, it's hatred they spread which is evident all around us. No one is terrorised because you bring up the issue about Naxalites. I know what they are. spineless bunch, and hide in forests and tribal belts, away from federal rule of law. India is too big for them and Indian army too strong than what Mao had to deal to dethrone Kuomintang in '40's. And yes, dalits must be empowered and others must be empowered and by doing so, Hinduism will go through changes that we will not be able to comprehend now. Nevertheless, they must be empowered and reforms must take place and thrust must be given in that direction. Islam, and negotiating with it will not help future. You can try if you are a romantic, but reality is scary with the way these people want to recede to crude customs and the most scary part is, the educated bunch among them encourage it the most. Most Hindus are acting like dummies instead, towing the wrong line by pandering to Muslim bhai bhai which will backstab. Hindus must learn to be proud people to save themselves and their civilization. Act according to the changing times. Not befriending and hiding behind tolerance when the ideologies around are bulldozing inch by inch every moment to uproot and change your ways for being the same. Learn from History. There is a time and place for using tolerance and peaceful negotiation, and at other times you will be looked at as weakling if you use it. The other will pawn you. He understands you, but his cause is relentless because of his affection to his age old traditions. That is how i see it.
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by Secular Indian on Feb 28, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
Unsung Humanist,
If I sound harsh/rude in my replies to you, I apologize, my tone unfortunately has been made (more) shrill with the Shenidh character. Now with niceties out of the way, What are the terrorist holding in their left hand when they are shooting with their right hand the Koran. Why because there is ample justification in the Koran for the righteousness of their cause to absolve them of any unethical or immoral conduct. They are after all brining India into the fold of Dar-Ul-Islam, its their duty. I can't bring myself to wish it away as much as I would sincerely like to.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 27, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
you didn't get my point i think. read my post again. I said Muslims must reciprocate. That is how it works. Hindus have been compromising for too long. You can't expect great life in India when you befriend Islamic states which treat minorities as subhuman. World across. In India they follow this perverted form of secularism, which was btw taken from western thought where they give importance the traditions of the majority and not hand out everything like they do it here in the alice in the wonderland called India. Indian secularism isn't suigeneris. About pay back time, i guess there are all elements living in a society. You display hypocrisy by pandering to muslims all the times, those pay backers will take over India. The way i see it, muslims must change themselves and others should worry about their cultures and people...like the genocide and forced conversion of millions of Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan over the last few decades. You keep appeasing the Muslims like Gandhi did in Khilafat times, then Muslims will not change for few more millenia and by then you will see Shariah rule across the world(sab peaceful cultures baad mein jayengi). Rational people must be able to see it when it is coming.
