Hinduism is not a religion it%u2019s a civilization. Hinduism is about love and peace not about hate and cruelty about other religion. A Hindu is born Hindu it%u2019s not like your religion he has to do KHATNA to become follower of you religion. First open your eyes try to see from where you come from then talk about the others. You talk about the backwardness of Indian (Hindu people) but why don%u2019t you see that why we are so backward (as you see) we are dragging your followers on our shoulders although they are from your religion but still anyhow they are the Indians and we have to drag them, because we want to go ahead and they are chains in our leg. You are saying we are backward open you eyes and see the world at least we are stick to 12th century but you are still nomadic (living animal life - no civilization what so ever) once some Mohammad try to educate you animals but you change the meaning as per your need and stay where you are at the beginning of the stone age.
Civilization is not about living on bigger house or having cars, money, gismo gadgets. But it%u2019s about cultivation of mind and sole, it%u2019s a path of peaceful living. We know what are bad and good about us and we always try to leave back out bad things and embarrass good things in our life. Progressiveness is the keyword of civilization. Have you ever see or here your religion are called as civilization its always called as religion only religion. In Hindi civilization we can proudly say we accepted many religions even who looted us or attached on our society we accepted then. But you are remain uncivilized religious blind followers only
RE:Hinduism is civilization.
by Shobhit Kumar on Feb 26, 2007 09:50 PM Permalink
I have spent quite some time in reading about these previous replies in the last few days.
One clear line ...
Those who side with hindus have a rather flexible and open mind. They may criticise others (esp. Muslims) but they dont shy or hesitate in admitting weaknesses or mistakes in their system.
Those who side with the Muslims are alas, a bit more rigid and static in their ideas.
For them Quran is the ultimate. ok fine, that is understandable.
If I was to go on a killing spree, destroying all my enemies at one go and then quote Srimadbhagvadgita, it wud be naturally wrong to blame Sri Gitaji for this behaviour of mine.
Ditto for the issue of Jihad inspired allegedly from Quran. That wud be wrong, I dont support it. Quran is the holy book for Muslims and so I respect it even if I dont know much about it.
But when a Muslim starts taking the stand that Quran is absolute and beyond debate and has to be followed at any costs and worse, starts imposing on those who dont believe as much into it, then things start taking a wrong turn.
I am ready to argue about Gitaji, for or against, depending upon my knowledge levels and my interpretation.
shud the same not be true for Quran ?
If Quran is indeed the word of God, why hesitate in debating it, as truth will win in the end after all !!!
and the question is not just limited to Quran's meaning.
I read somewhere in the replies of some chap that Jesus was a Muslim and was a pakka namazi.
Gosh !!! so wasnt Jesus the first Muslim ? 600 yrs before Mohd. ? and so Jesus gave us not one but two world religions.
Somehow, I have noticed that our Muslims are giving us very shallow and laughable logics, as that watch n desert example shows; it has been shown to be fallacious and yet he sticks to it.
Hindus are not beyond faults, they too have several sins on their souls, the biggest of them being the caste issues and one that haunts them still. Dont think I am a SC/ST/OBC, I am a brahman and proud to be so but I do feel a bit embarrased when I read bout the way we upper casts have dealt with those who were not born in higher families.
but I also believe that this issue has been overblown a bit and that the original ratinale behind the caste system was rather justified and practical, doesnt a doctor/lawyer want his child to follow his steps? it reduces a lot of initial efforts.
the initial market that we had was a barter system which was based on vocations and expertise, narturally a person skilled in one art wud teach this art to his children and so it wud go on n on. It was/is as logical as is 1 1=2
that it deteriorated later on was the problem. still apart from this caste system, are there any other major deficiencies in Hinduism ? may be yes, but I do not know at this time.
Muslims brothers, pls look deep inside,
Do u really feel that advocating Islam rule (Darul-Islam) everywhere is right?
Do u really feel that punishing a woman for illicit relation when SHE has been raped is natural justice?
Do u really feel that ridiculing others beliefs just because they r diff from urs is right ?
Do u really feel that destroying others holy places and erect unattended Mosques over them is right ?
Do u really feel that calling a spade a spade (as in the case of Aurangzeb) is something that shud be avoided? why then do u rake up the issue of Babri demolition ?
If Babur cud destroy a really holy place like Ram's Temple at his janmbhoomi, why cant we destroy something that insults our sentiments ?
I have been to the fort where Aurangzeb has improsoned his real brother Dara-Shikoh, it really a scary place, even today. Aurangzeb imprisoned hiw own father, till death.
Even if we dont count other cruelties of his, do u all think that these two activities were justified ? and that too only for a mortal takht ?
ShahJahan allegedly gave us Taj-Mahal, the monument of Love, though some doubt it, I am sure some one here knows what I pointing to (that is another topic of debate btw)
His son, Aurangzeb, definitely gave us the scars of hatred n violence.
I am not against Muslims at all. but pls try to see the reason involved.
Aurangzeb was no King Solomon, he was more like a tribal chief, brutal and cruel.
History shud record this as such and nothing else.
Beware ... The time bomb is ticking, a huge reaction is gonna come, I can see it, wud be better if we all see it.
RE:RE:Hinduism is civilization.
by Secular Indian on Feb 27, 2007 05:52 AM Permalink
The caste system has been a disaster no matter how justified it was in theory. Something that should be learned from Islam is their concept of universal brother hood. The sort of thing that motivates a Sudanese to come all the way to Kashmir to fight for what he believes are injustices towards his co-religionists.
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by mohammed ahmed on Feb 26, 2007 05:47 PM Permalink
kumar bhai.......... DEBATE like A DEBATER. u seem to be a COWARD even while debating........
u were born naked.......... be naked only... and u will be called "CIVILISED... ha.ha.ha.
poor logic......... man..... u got trapped urself....
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 26, 2007 06:17 PM Permalink
let's debate...about what? you need some rational thought work before we do that. I don't want to come down to your level just for the sake of it. The "Secular" and intellectual morons will discuss with you just to keep with the times and get to know the reality though most of them know nothing is going to change with you guys for better. People don't have great hope, they are addressing your points to change you for better or suppress you for being a stupid mind("OPEN UR EYES MAN. 20% INDIANS HAVE OPENED THEIRS"...which century are you living in?). You people can start with this: condemn the attrocities committed on Hindus since Islam arrived in India for all the genocides, razing of structures and the mindless savagery altogether caused to hurt a peaceful civilization that gave so many wise thoughts to the mankind. Do it through the highest bodies that represent all your sects of Islam. That would be a beginning. People can be human when the carry some remorse for what their ideologies represent and evolved and what they did in that process. And repentance, and then compromise by making amends that would be amenable to the negotiating side. But you people are much behind to even get it to your head. Stuck in the Allah's world and his grip on you that will someday either demoralize for everything you stand or push you to where it began. Remember one thing. It's Madness that you people believe in, and it doesn't matter if it's good or bad anymore when you can't weild it through ideological superiority when there is so much discerning approach in other traditions which are reforming by the day to march ahead. Islam has not begun it's very basic reforms and looking for ways to recede to very crude way of life where it seems very anxious to find a way to approach the "prophecy" and it's implementation, and it is doing so by escaping from surrounding realities which demand greater efficiency and hard thinking. Better to move ahead and see other things in store that your people have been hiding from all these times through mindset or way or life. The "Infidel" world. It will rock each of your asses(it already started to). The way i say it to you, seems i had to recede to my kindergarten approach to make it understandable to you. That is your level.
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by Secular Indian on Feb 26, 2007 07:30 PM Permalink
You are quite right, one can hit one's head against a brick will only so much.
RE:RE:Hinduism is civilization.
by Babloo Bhaiya on Feb 26, 2007 07:41 PM Permalink
@md ahmed.
if u r happy by assuming these all then be happy.
but it wont be considered to be a right approach. apart from bashing up the community along with which u have been living.. what u and community in general have done in india? one .. two.. three .. four .. exceptional cases r okay. for these one .. two.. three.. .. four .. exceptional examples only make us to swallow live flies! this we have been doing so far.. :-('
