RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 04:22 PM Permalink
Tasin, If we count on dead bodies, both (Muslims and non-muslims) are equally monsterous.you know these killing happen to ascertain political status. But political culture of muslims are not in good taste. As an athiest, I would ask Muslims people to keep religion away from Politics. God does not rule the country. If you belive so, then so called God's reps. would rule and drive you to feel that "Islam is under threat" to fulfill his own agenda (sticking to power)..
Reformative leaders in muslim community is in dire need now.. Do you accept?.. If not, show one such muslim leader with modernised thoughts in India.
For me, we have such one in Pakistan ,..guess...Mr.Mushraff
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Rahul Oze on Feb 16, 2007 04:06 PM Permalink
What you are saying is what all Muslims say in general. It indeed is truthfull that no prophet of God, Be it Muhammed, Krishna, Jesus or Bahaullah, have ever prophesied hatred for any fellow human being. The problem with Islam/ Hindu and such all old religions is that their relevance has been lost over many years. We must understand that everything has a shelf life. Even religions, civilisations and so on. Islam wan not ever existant on this earth, not was Hinduism. For every age and period, God has sent prophets who have taught humanity and given laws from time to time. These laws are not eternal as these prophets are not. We must progress further and recognise the fact and truth. Ultimately, it is between us and our creator and nothing else matters when we all are laid to rest in a 6x2 ft space. Let us not debate which religion is right or wrong. All religions & their prophets are undoubtedly good. It is the people who over the ages have corrupted the main essence of the teachings of these prophets. The main culprits are the pundits and moolahs & clergy and not religions.
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by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:53 PM Permalink
Just to quickly add: Hinduism is oldest in religions going back to thousands of years. Its teachings believe human and his relationship with nature. Also hinduism has eveolved over this period by Krishna, Shankaracharya and many other intellects. It does not follow one book nor it defines any specific rules about human beings lifestyle. Muslim religion is much modern in this sense and it goes by book which is written by few individuals and nobody is allowed to change it anyways. I realise that Hinduism offers me great freedom which I do not see in other religions.
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:43 PM Permalink
Hi Tasin,
You might say that jews & western world is creating malicious image of islam but it is truth that Islam is facing dilemma of its own.
A muslim is living in situation where their holybook does not align with modern world. Other religions went through revolution and evolve as time changed. Most of them either adopted teachings to current life style and provided freedom to followers or either scrapped some teachings entirely. Muslim still remains as it is after 15 centuries.
Let me ask a question, why every country where muslims are in majority insist running country under religion rules? Isn't it is responsibility of muslim scholar to rise against wrong implementation of their religious teachings. Why non-muslim minority is forced to follow certain ways of muslim ruling government? Why muslims cannot separate government from religion? Why they expect concessions and their right of living in certain way when they are living in democratic countries where other religions are in majority?
They expect others to align with their religion when they are in majority whereas they expect to live the way they want when they are in minority. How this double standard can be accepted?
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by ded de on Feb 16, 2007 03:56 PM Permalink
like you i too have not read history. but unlike you i am not a devout religious. just an atheist but Hindu. it is greatness of hindu religion that it accepts me in its fold. being an atheist i am not sure about who should be called messenger of god but from earthly experience i understand who should be called messenger of death and evil. tell me if it is not true that your prophet raped a 9 years old girl called ayesha, if he has himself not participated in genocide of various jewish and pre-islamic tribes. tell me if koran has not got detailed accounts how to kill a pow and rape women captives. if the references attributed to koran and prophet in faithfreedom.org is false. compare the acts and life of your prophet with message of compassion , love and divinity of Jesus , budha, mahavir and take an intelligent decision yourselves.
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by Ashraf Siddiqui on Feb 16, 2007 04:13 PM Permalink
Napolean Hill has rightly said, If the human mind can beleive and conceive it can achieve. Muslims beleive in one God 'Allah', hence iman is conceived in their hearts and when they talk about it more people beleive and conceive and hence the islamisation of the world. Islam is a religion which teaches resistance from succumbing to worldly desires. Its a religion of the Book (The Koran) and everyone is free to read it, being available in English. If you are oppressed then you have every right to defend yourself, this is taken as an act of terrorism by the world. No one sees the actions of the Americans and the Jews.
Aurangazeb is long gone we are still discussing his actions, some 20 decades later someone will write about Osama and a similar discussion will come up.
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by Vinayak Patil on Feb 16, 2007 04:59 PM Permalink
The writer already explained why this exhibition is important. Just because hitler killed thousands of jews, all jews does not become foe of german people. Similarly if one person from muslim religion does wrong does not mean other religions will start taking revenge.
As with Hitler, just because he killed jews, we should not hide its history from world. Similarly history of Aurangzeb should not be kept hidden.
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by Indian Muslim on Feb 16, 2007 04:07 PM Permalink
Yes, Now that you have read with an Open mind Mr Mairan. Can you come to the conclusion? You are asking the muslims to go and read from websites run by Anti-Islamic terrorists. Have a life! You can breath air for some better purpose! How about you having an open mind and talk with ME, an indian muslim rather? But no, you would want to read, what suits YOU!
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by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 04:25 PM Permalink
Yes, Mr.Mairan should be ready to talk to you...rather preaching to read some propoganda..
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by Rahul Oze on Feb 16, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
the text of the second site mentioned by you is rubbish and a work of some insolent moolah. Quran & Mohammed never wrote anything of this kind. It is all made up.
RE:Islam, Tyrrany & Malign
by Riaz Khan on Feb 16, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
i pesonally believe all the great religions we have today, including islam do not preach violence/ hatred & bloodshed.
But due to lack of education among muslims (worldwide) and quality of islam's religious leaders & their interpretations of islam, we have arrived at where we are.
This sudden hue and cry about islam and its followers started with the attack of world trade center by osama bin laden.
We as muslims always talk about our worldwide oppression be it in Middle East or western world. But we fail to understand that islam as a religion is hated everywhere by non-muslims for many reasons, and also for its popularity.
We, muslims, have a great responsibility on our shoulders to show the world we care for our fellowbeings from other faiths by following what islam preaches.
Unless that happens, we and our actions will always be under the constant scrutiny of those who cannot stomach the worldwide growth of islam.
Suffering of humanity happens every where in the world. But my humble observation is that Muslims tend to encircle themselves as "muslims" irrespective of their national identity. Atleast me, could not see my Muslims brothers be bothered with Hindus being suppressed somewhere. When it comes only to muslims/Islam, they raise an issue.. otherwise it is considered as problems happening out of the planet.. Pls dont get me wrong...All Muslims political parties here are to defend their faith, not for progress..
Infamously one of my muslim friend told me that Kashmiri Hindus vacated Kashmir voluntirely to bring bad name to Muslims..What is your take?
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by wada pav on Mar 25, 2007 10:09 PM Permalink
GURU TEG BAHADUR SINGH WAS TORTURED TO DEATH BY AURANGZEB BECAUSE HE OPPOSED THEIR FORCIBLE CONVERSION TO ISLAM . SO KASHMIR ISSUE IS A RELIGIOUS ISSUE,NOT JUST A POLITICAL ISSUE. KASHMIRI MUSLIMS WANT A INDEPENDANT ISLAMIC NATION AND NOT A INDEPENDANT SECULAR NATION.
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by SENGATHIR SELVAN on Feb 16, 2007 07:31 PM Permalink
I will be entirely happy if Kashmir turns out to be a political one...
I accept that there is an undirectional / unjusitified anger over muslims because of some ill concieved people.
