The fanatic articles like this serve no purpose to the history of India which is already been defaced by most communal historians in the part. I have serious reservations on the knowledge on Francois Gautier who might claim to be a student of histroy but unfortunately he bears very little knowledge about the very truth that Mughal Empire particularly reign of Aurangzeb Alamgir gave India the strength and identity which laid the foundation of India being a real power. This foundation resulted in later movements towards the independence struggle of India. Articles like this expose the very truth that heart of several people are filled with hatred and they want to write just anything with the feeling that nobody would come forward to challenge them. I invite Francois to debate with me on the role and significance of reign of Aurangzeb Alamgir. Please stop spreading wrong information if you do not possess authentic knowledge.
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by Krishna V on Feb 16, 2007 04:27 PM Permalink
I just want to clarify one thing with you before we discuss events in history. You would agree with me that Indian muslims are muslims because of forceful conversions by Muslim invaders. The very fact that your then forefathers had been forcibly converted and the religion forcibly imposed has been carried till now, don't you feel a sense of pity or anger that your religion is not what your then forefathers would have preferred? Being tolerant and non un-secure by nature and by fundamentals of hinduism, i donot prefer you to become a hindu, but don't you feel you have been cheated. Any person with reasonable intelligence, pride and dignity would feel cheated on this pretext. I will sincerely appreciate if you enlighten me with your acumen on this point and solely on this point.
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by Shaheer A. Mirza on Feb 16, 2007 06:37 PM Permalink
I went through all the responses above and expect some more, all I can make out basically is the reaction and ill-knowledged logic that Aurangzeb built mosques on sites of Hindu Temples. With due respect to Hinduism, all I wanted to say is that for a better society and a safe environment, we need to possss reasonable knowledge of the land we live in. India has witnessed many invaders coming in from Trans Indus Valley and with them they brought their own culture, values, traditions, language and ways of life. In case of Aurangzeb, it is to be noticed that the empire was already settled in India for more than a century and almost 4 generations of common person had already passed under the influence of Mughals. Therefore, it was Hindus and followers of other religions at that time who were inclined towards practices and benefits of Islam for their own personal interests and profits. Islam has always been against the interference of religious values in terms of ruling the state. Had the motive of Muslim rulers were to spread Islam, I'm afraid to say but there would hardly be any non-muslim left to raise voice if they were harrassed or forced to conversion. Its only modern historians who have portrayed such a picture of Islam under the influence of extremism within the anti-Islamic fraternity. I have all the respect for religion of Hinduism but I feel sorry for those who have filled their hearts with hatred just to cover the lapses their own history reveals. Religion is a matter of faith and belief and in case somebody is interested to prove the logics then there would many issues that would arise and might hurt emotions of millions. It is scientifically proved that human life on earth is not older than 8000-10000 years old and here we refer to Gods that exist 5 million years ago, then why to fight on temples of such Gods whose existence itself is questionable. I do not want to refrain from the core subject and the fact remains that so-called authors like Francois do no favour to contribute to history but just re-write some stupid stuff which works like refreshing the sleeping hatred within the society. It is unfortunate to highlight but equally important that immediately after the independence, the most extremist lobbies both from Hindu & Muslim communities were keen to encash their political premiums rather than strengthening the country and that is how the divide among the society got stronger, this step gave energy to fundamentalists of both sides to play with the emotions of people on religious lines for their political destiny. Someone in the above response has adviced me to migrate to Pakistan, may I ask the gentleman what prompted him to say so ? I would like to reiterate that India is a homeland to me and millions of Muslims like me and rather I demand endorsement from all such people that what make them feel that India is only for Hindus. If we want to shape our country today and wish to see it developing, then we should raise our mentality and talk business. The only thing that stops me from indulging into meaningless arguments about stories of mosques raised on temple sites is the future of India. We should remember that India as a country has some history but the story within that history is primarily fiction as far as faith goes and fiction has no base, its all game of belief. I am sure world would laugh if we stick to the very fundamentalist approach about all those silly things referring to Gods living in stones. Then there is somebody who sounds furious and talked about blasts in Bombay as a revenge to one mosque demolished. I categorically condemn such acts if the blasts were a result of Babri Masjid but the question remains, how long will it go ? If we talk about accusations and counters then we are still living in some age that would not lead us to better tomorrow. My sincere appeal to all those who are against my writings is to apply logic to their thoughts and make sure that co-existence is the only possible tool to survive today.
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by Anil Hingorani on Feb 23, 2007 05:49 PM Permalink
Shaheer, you seem to be a profound thinker but it is not convincing the islam was not spread by force. There are various accounts and feats of kings like Shivaji and religious personalities who helped hindutva survive moghul conversion efforts. On historians and media, the popular and prominent ones are with you. Read all popular magazines, news papers - the bigger these are the more minority appeasing mode they are in. However, my question remains unanswered i.e. how come people who were forcibly converted generations back do not feel cheated?
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 05:03 PM Permalink
DOES this site being authenticated by Government of India? does the documents published there being endorsed and certified by concerned authorities of Government of India. I want to ask "wikipedia.org" Are YOU PEOPLE INTERESTED IN FIRING ONE MORE COMMUNAL rights. do you people are only interested in dividing INDIANS. AND HAVE YOU PEOPLE APPOINTED Mr. Francois Gautier as YOUR AMBASSADOR FOR COMMUNAL RIGHTS.
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by Raees Mohammed on Feb 16, 2007 04:36 PM Permalink
any one can write anything in wikipedia. And Francois Gautier claim is false and dont have any truth and proof. And As always rediff is publishing this. I know rediff is anti muslim.
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by Jarnail singh on Feb 16, 2007 05:58 PM Permalink
i have great regard for islam and muhammad sahabs teachings. but you people are defending a wrong person. these rediff people might come to know about these facts now as a sikh i know these from my childhood. even then i am not against islam. aurangzeb is not islam, he was not true muslim. dont defend him. by defending him you will loose your own credibility.
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by bharat on Feb 16, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
Mr. Shaheer Mirza, Instead of summarily dismissing the article as fanatic, why don't you present logical arguments to substantiate your claims. The article is based on logical reasoning. Do you have any backup to prove your point?
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 04:57 PM Permalink
logical reason cant be true, when history is being manipulated as many of our friends are saying, then how can the reason being given be true. Mr. Francois Gautier if you are really historian I want an ARTICLE about the BRITISH RULE and give some authentic detials of the worse RULER of INDIA the BRITISHERS
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by Ganapathy E on Feb 16, 2007 04:23 PM Permalink
Shaheer dont bluff go and see the historical town Hampi in Andhra pradesh,u can see nimbers of monuments and hindu temples destroyed by the muslim emperror,but u ppl killed so many countrymen in bombay for destroying one single mosque.Shame on u
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 04:46 PM Permalink
Dear Friend, Atleast Muslim Rulers didn't took the things belonged to the Indians. There were many rulers who did either right or wrong to rule the Country. Can any historian prove me that any Muslim Ruler took anything from India and went away just like the British. Have the historian forgotten the bad to worse deeds done by the Britisher, does they not forcibily convereted hindus to Christianity. Why YOU all people just against muslim, what are the naxalities ding, are they not killing people & what about moawwadies ?. There are many type of people does the deed of few people should be imposed on all the Muslims, is it right what the othere Muslims has done all are not same. Plz. plz. stop all this, we are Indians and just Indians.
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 05:09 PM Permalink
DOES THIS ANYTHING RELATED TO PRESENT MUSLIMS, does present muslims destroying any MANDIRS, does anything MONUMENTS of HINDUS being destroyed by present Muslims. HISTORY IS BEING MANIPULATED why we are fighting when the REAL FACTS ARE NOT PRESENT.
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by b karthik on Feb 16, 2007 04:26 PM Permalink
Don"t you have any shame teasing a religion .what do you know about religion.you want to get rid of them because some 100 years back they kiled people.why are you blaming the muslims of this generation.if someone teases your religion what will you do ?
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by Anis Khan on Feb 16, 2007 04:52 PM Permalink
Thanks Karthik, Some 100 Years before it were Christian /Britishers who were ruling India, and as I know, they not done anything good to us, does the Britishers gave anything to us , they were RUDE BUSINESSMEN WHO just looted us and went away, why such Articles not comimg about them, why everyone is targetting only MUSLIMS. I AM FIRST INDIAN and then MUSLIM.
