those were the days of military rule. subjects and citizens wished to have the strongest and the wisest as their ruler. everybody had got a right to prove himself to be the best ruler. and only war between the different candidates could judge, who would be the best. no matter what relationship the candidates had between themselves.
We know that a state, a kingdom or a government is for basically giving peace and justice in a society. Peace can be hampered for a while to bring a larger justice....like a situation of war. and again little injustice can be justified to bring and keep the larger peace around.....like a situation of curfew in any area.
and the expansion of an empire is also not unjust. Mughal emperors did it like Ashoka and Alexander-the Greats conquered lands and made empires. AurangZeb in particular might have been more intolerant towards the injustices of Brahmins on the lower castes.... and also towards the social/spiritual/physical evil acts/rituals that were prevalent in the temples of those days. he had got his own personality and methodology........ open to critism from all. but making this issue a tool of condeming all muslim kings and religion of Islam is a sheer foolishness.... and even dangerous for society as a whole.
when i say..... AurangZeb in particular might have been more intolerant towards the injustices......... i mean.... it's natural to be INTOLERANT towards larger INJUSTICES..... in fact it's desired..... and so.... jehad is needed. JIHAD means organised effort/struggle to remove/kill the badness from SELF....SYSTYEM....SURROUNDING and if needed those MEN who comes on the way of that effort. GANDHI/BOSE/BHAGAT/TERESA/BABA-AMTE/MILITARY GENERALS.... all did or are doing JIHAD their own way.
We forget that AurangZeb took Zakat from Muslims as Jizya from NonMuslims. No Muslim king went to Kerala/Srilanka.... but think how Islam reached there... and in fact muslims are 30% in population. Same is the case for Indonesia and Malayshya.... where 40 crore muslims live. which aurangzeb went to Indonasia/Malaysia Kerala/SriLanka......etc..???????? who converted Jaipal Yogi/Cat-Stevens/ Yusuf Yuhana/Kamala Das/ AR-Rahman/ ClassusClayMd.Ali?????????????????
Every body will say ....... this is the case of ONLY TRUTH PREVAILS..... whether Rome... india.... persia..... russia... africa etc. and the EVIL had to go ..... like Ravanism... Chengism.. Temoorism.... Hitlerism... Stalinism... Britishism... Saddamism etc. In future also the EVIL will have to go.... Bush/CIA... Israel/JewishPlot.... Musharraf/ISI Modism/Advanism or any evil... all will go.
Only the good names of Taoism/Confucionism/Rama/Krishna /Abraham/Moses/Jesus/Mohammad/Hazrat Nizamuddin/Chishti Ajmeri/ BahadurShahZafar / Bose /Gandhi will remain and PREVAIL. AND ABOUT OSAMA? HE is like our Bose/Bhagat. Fighter against cruel imperialists.
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by Padmakumar Menon on Mar 13, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
Please note that Francois was talking about only Aurangazeb but what about other rulers and even after centuries think about today's muslims, if they get a chance they will destroy the whole in the name of jihad even then intolerant people like mohamed will say that this is required...jehad is needed
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by rafiuddin farooqui on Mar 13, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
Mr Padam Kumar Menon you are new to the forum read all discussion. The Francois Gautier is a fraud. The person who stayed 30 years and close student of Indian History and specialize on Aurangzeb. He doesnt know FARMANS the most authentic edicts of Aurangzeb. From where he get this FARHANS. If this guy saying FARMANS to FARHANS then he total fraud and bogus. He is just serving the interest of RSS Gang and getting rewards like VISH KANNIYA AND MATERIAL, MONEY LIQUOUR AND LUXURY LIVING INDIA.
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by Secular Indian on Mar 14, 2007 09:16 AM Permalink
Let me quote a true scholar of Islam, Ayatollah Khomeini not some nitwit apologist that can impress people that lack the courage to critically examine their own dogma, but someone who knew Islam better than most muslims.
"Islam makes it incumbent on all adult males, provided they are not disabled and incapicated, to prepare themselves for the conquest of countries so that writ of Islam is obeyed in every country in the world.
But those who study Islamic Holy War will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world ... Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! ... People can't be made obedient except with the sword .. There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and Hadiths urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war ? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."
I don't think I need to add to such a clear and well articulated understanding of the Islamic religion. This is a dictionary doctrine of Jihad. If the Koran is the word of God as Muslims believe then who is being more logical Khomeini or the Muslims that pretend otherwise.
