My most of the friends argue that Aurangzeb converted by force and by sword. These people did not read history and they do not have knowledge of India. Hindus conveted not in the period of Aurangzeb. After the period of Aurangzeb, majority of conversion took place after the bad treatment by Hindus. I gave few examples for your understanding. The Muslims Kings Justify and there were an Islam Code of Government then there would be no ST/SC Dalit would remain in India. Islam talk Equality, Justice and Peace. We did not tell we practice. Go to our mosque or watch the prayer of Grand Holy Mosque Makkah Al-Mukarram, Where people praying joining shoulder to shoulder, no blacks no white, no rich no poor, no creed cloour and caste.
RE:Basless Argumetns
by Secular Indian on Mar 12, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
What nonsense! Have you read Dr. Ambedkars book. "Partition of India" especially the chapter:
"Muslim Society is even more full of social evils than Hindu Society is", given that you choose to remain ignorant (which is not surprising, if one reads the next chapter, "Why there is no organized movement of social reform among the Muslims"), allow me to help you cure your ignorance by posting the first few paragraphs: The existence of these evils among the Muslims is distressing enough. But far more distressing is the fact that there is no organized movement of social reform among the Musalmans of India on a scale sufficient to bring about their eradication. The Hindus have their social evils. But there is this relieving feature about them%u2014namely, that some of them are conscious of their existence, and a few of them are actively agitating for their removal. The Muslims, on the other hand, do not realize that they are evils, and consequently do not agitate for their removal. Indeed, they oppose any change in their existing practices. It is noteworthy that the Muslims opposed the Child-Marriage Bill brought in the Central Assembly in 1930, whereby the age for marriage of a girl was raised to 14 and of a boy to 18, on the ground that it was opposed to the Muslim canon law. Not only did they oppose the bill at every stage, but that when it became law they started a campaign of Civil Disobedience against that Act. Fortunately the Civil Disobedience campaign of the Muslims against the Act did not swell and was submerged in the Congress Civil Disobedience campaign which synchronized with it. But the campaign only proves how strongly the Muslims are opposed to social reform.
The question may be asked, why are the Muslims opposed to social reform?
The usual answer given is that the Muslims all over the world are an unprogressive people. This view no doubt accords with the facts of history. After the first spurts of their activity, the scale of which was undoubtedly stupendous, leading to the foundations of vast empires%u2014the Muslims suddenly fell into a strange condition of torpor, from which they never seem to have become awake. The cause assigned for this torpor by those who have made a study of their condition, is said to be the fundamental assumption made by all Muslims that Islam is a world religion, suitable for all people, for all times and for all conditions. It has been contended that :%u2014
"The Musalman, remaining faithful to his religion, has not progressed; he has remained stationary in a world of swiftly moving modern forces. It is, indeed, one of the salient features of Islam that it immobilizes in their native barbarism, the races whom it enslaves. It is fixed in a crystallization, inert and impenetrable. It is unchangeable; and political, social or economic changes have no repercussion upon it.
"Having been taught that outside Islam there can be no safety; outside its law no truth and outside its spiritual message there is no happiness, the Muslim has become incapable of conceiving any other condition than his own, any other mode of thought than the Islamic thought. He firmly believes that he has arrived at an unequalled pitch of perfection; that he is the sole possessor of true faith, of the true doctrine, the true wisdom; that he alone is in possession of the truth%u2014no relative truth subject to revision, but absolute truth.
"The religious law of the Muslims has had the effect of imparting to the very diverse individuals of whom the world is composed, a unity of thought, of feeling, of ideas, of judgement."
RE:Basless Argumetns
by Secular Indian on Mar 12, 2007 01:30 PM Permalink
The above comments are by Dr. Ambedkar, you on the other hand constantly keep repeating the same drivel over and over again, I'm sure to the point that even some muslims must truly be embarrassed. Do you have no shame ?
RE:Basless Argumetns
by JATIN HALDANKAR on Mar 12, 2007 03:39 PM Permalink
Islam Talks of Equality and Peace ..and still you have shias and sunnis muslim figthing and killing each other... strange !!!
Read this -
"Ahead of the assembly elections in Uttar Pradesh, CPM has demanded job reservation for Dalit Muslims and sought inclusion of OBC Muslims who have not found a place in the OBC list in a timebound manner.
-- 5/march/2007-Times of India "
If caste system are evils of hindu society then why Muslim has carried it forward after conversion from hindu religion ??
