What are their goals? is it Hindu kingdom? i mean Hindu Rashtra. Who will rule India then? Which caste? Which region will be given more preference in India to rule? Will it be UP again? What is the basis to it? We need a lot of evolving to do, before we address any of these questions. Hindu Rashtra is a defensive ploy. Maybe there is nothing wrong in it as it is a consequence of Hindus becoming very defensive, and every happening in History has a defensive mechanism to it, evem landing of people who are adherents of the preaching of Christian reformation in 16th century to a region in "New World" in now what we call USA. But Hindus have great inequalities between them. They fight between territioris, languages and what not. Simple minded people. You give them a Hindu rashtra and they will break into thousand pieces in no time. I mean they have a LONG history of living that way and treating people miserably by calling names like dalit and whatnot and abondoning them to maintain "purity" of their ways. They have a lot of evolving to do. If i sounded any basher of Hindus, well you should know that i support all Hindu right wing organisation from RSS to Bajrang dal.
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:49 AM Permalink
Its Sad that the one and the only Hindu Kingdom in the world is still NEPAL. Chaitanya has rightly pointed out the flaws. But these are the flaws of an INDIAN psychology.. not of Hinduism.
Castes will always be there... By Cates, I mean the differences. If not by birth, then by status. What is important is that .. now the time has come to realize and proudly identify ourselves as Hindus... to protect ourselves and our future from the eagle eyes of the pseudo secular parties who are bent upon destroying our identity, for their short term and self centered interests.
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by Haresh G. jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 01:06 AM Permalink
caitanya, is a holy name, i do not understand how you got this name and writing such trash. If you support rss and bajrang dal, there is no need for your say. India is hindu and all religions are same and our time from birth to death will lead all of us to a common grave irrespective of being a muslim, hindu, christian or a sikh or a budhist or a jain or a judaism, or a simple normal human being.
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by samson A paul on Feb 12, 2007 01:50 AM Permalink
Then why are these guys want to spoil the unity of India and want to make a separate hindu govt. That itself proves they want to isolate muslims and christians.... BJP has a done a good job in the country but not these organisations like RSS, VHP and bajrang Dal.. They simply spoil the peaceful atmosphere in the country. These things are impacting the whole nation and economically we are losing lot of things. First they have to come out of untouchablilty. Where is love when ur following untouchability. There is partiality within...
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by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 01:59 AM Permalink
Nobody making separate hindu government. It's your own biased and hateful perception. Hindus are trying to get organized to get heard. Stop blackmailing people saying things that are not happening. You christians have converted millians of poor hindus to christianity so obviously you will want them to stay disorganized and poor.
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by Harshita M on Feb 12, 2007 02:45 AM Permalink
Is attacking muslims and christians, showing hatredness called as getting organised? What do u mean by getting organised? fighting against other religion? Is this what Ramayana, mahabharata and other holy books teach? Why all these things? simply spoiling peace of the society leading to blood shed.
you shouldn't say something stupid if you don't know the details. How much have you known through available sources about the RSS, VHP and their affiliates? I bet you know more about Bollywood than what is happening in the grassroot level where these Hindus are working with tribals and women to eradicate social evils. From what i have observed, "mainstream" Hindus have been a prejudiced lot and treat those in the lower strata miserably. They detest change deliberately. You got to break rules to survive and preserve your identity for posterity. Even if you don't, others will and kill yours in that process. Hindus are getting organised for the first time in their History. It will continue. You can give the spirit of this organisation any name. Calling it Hatred to a group will be devious and diversionary. You can call it as the consequence of a "disturbance" which has woke up the Hindus to many things around them after a long deep slumber. Hindus will be a cultured people and they will be led by Historical and surrounding influential forces. Hinduism is going through a phase and as a Hindu it's your job to realize it. Comparisons drawn between fascists of Western Europe of erstwhile era or some other place is diversionary, as it was racism and hyprocrisy that was the guiding force there. You should know when someone pawns you. The thing is, people like you will follow suit. Try being a Hindu sometime.
Untouchability is not followed by RSS shakhas. Infact the most inter-caste marriages in India are found in Hindu Right wing groups. Others are talking empty and hyporitical. They don't have the balls to break rules. You want to show your morality, then place your money where the mouth is. Hindus will buy it.
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by dhaval doshi on Feb 12, 2007 02:54 AM Permalink
OFCOURSE HINDUS WILL BE GIVEN PREFERENCE AND I BELIVE THAT EDUCATED HINDU LEADER WILL BE WELL SUITED TO GUIDE INDIA TO THE NEW MORDEN WORLD. I SEE ONLY ONE RELIGION IN THE WORLD THAT CAN TAKE ANY TRADEGY INTO ITS STRIDE AND STILL LOVE AND HELP OTHERS, AND THATS HINDUS. WE HAVE PROVED IT NUMBER OF TIMES OVER THE PAST CENTURIES.
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:31 AM Permalink
where had you proved that you are good hindus and you can take tragedies , you are fighting muslims and islam since centuries and kill muslims and always justify it with the killings by aurangzeb and other muslim rulers how is that justified you will be killing millions of people in years to come and you are boosting yourself now grow up man see the statistics ok wake up
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by Nikhil P on Feb 12, 2007 11:26 AM Permalink
no hindu has killed any muslim without being provoked. Only when muslims keep killing innocents and get away with crimes because of pro-islamic government that people get angry. Muslims have killed a lot of innocent hindus using bombs in last 4 years but noone has done anything to muslims. Our president has forgiven a terrorist. People see all these bad things allowed by the pro-islamic government. If the government doesn't care about them then they have only two options - either organize and get heard or do what their enemies do.
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by rishi on Feb 12, 2007 12:08 AM Permalink
Dear Chaitanya: You have no idea what you are taking about. VHP is the least casteist and divisive of any Hindu groups and they have a sterling hsitory of promoting equality and unity amongst Hindus.
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by chaitanya kumar on Feb 12, 2007 12:26 AM Permalink
I was talking about Hindus in general. Yes i know they have very less inequality in RSS Shakhas where there are many people from lower caste and what is called "untouchable" where everyone shares same domain to eat and VHP works with Adivasis. Many Hindus don't know it. They should publicize their work.
