As i muslims myself i like to digress from my fellow muslims brother mustashrique ahmad. The obvious question will be why i appose mustashrique question.I was born and raise in disciple islamic family where i was taught the law of quran , obedience towards elder and venerate other.
I have a every educated hindus as my friends .My family are closely associate to hindus( since we live in the colony redominated by hindus) as a child i used to play with my hindu friends. Gradually when i was growing i came to know the different between my faith and hindus faith. I was told by my grandfather that hindus was kafir and they pray to monkey and elephant god which is condemned in islamic religion. i started realizing myself as consecrate muslims. i embark a journey to understand my religion my faith and the difference between my religion and other religion.
Islam is fervently monotheist religion we excoriate christanity and even judaism as not a pure form of monotheist religion.The concept and the ideology of islam is diagonally opposite of hinduism. Hinduism in essence is polytheist religion which appreciate plurality ( praying more then one god) .The concept of praying one God (as in islam and christanity) and praying multiple god in hinduism was the deepest philosophical and religious delimma to me. I went to muslims scholar to comprehend what really make muslims to endure the ALLAH as the superme god. To my surpise i didn't receive approciate answer. I obviously turn to hindus guru to seek information about the existence to multiple god in hinduism . The information provided to me by the hindu guru was novel and intriguing. He quoted the vedas and upanishad to delineate why hindus venerate different form of god and the significance of multiple god in huduism.
The vedic math and the astrogoly were the few trademark of vast and magnificient hindu culture. As muslims i try to scount to get the similar clarity in quran unfortunately the paradox in quran invited quadry in me .
Then i was expose to the violent and fierce panorama of islam . Which western media advertise as the islamic terrorism.i started asking myself why we muslims were so radical about our faith then muslims. Why we muslims involve ourself in deplorable act of killing innocient people in the name of islam and jihad?.
i required answer of my tormenting question. I started comparing muslims with hindus. I ask myself why hindus are more compassionate and humble then muslims? how hindus have learn to live with radically opposite islamic religion?. Why hindus haven't attack any country from last 2000 year?
The advent of islam in india could be dated back in the 8th centure when our ancentor came to india as trader and barbaric rular. The muslims in india blended themselve with the hindu culture to that extent that the muslims in india can be classified as exclusive indo muslim since we incorporate lot of hindus practise in our routine life. I firmly belive that my ancestor where hindus before they were forcefully converted in islam. I become the great admire of hinduism and there penchant toward the universal toralence and brotherhood which apparantly islam doesn't preache.
They question obviously arise that what i am trying to arrive at?. The rediff artical discuss about the comment and the program of hindu organization VHP and there leader talking about abetting the hindu party in political front. I don't see why we muslims are so scare about the hindu organization advocating hindu party. I called it rise in the hindu consciousness and as muslims i will support the formation of such political hindu party cause muslims in india could be protected and cared by commpassionate hindus party rather then pesdo secularist like congress and samajwadi party.
I urge all muslims to support the idea of hindu political party in order to safeguard our religion.
RE:I support of Hindu political party
by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:31 AM Permalink
Hi Friends..
These views seem to be deeply realized and analyzed, which normally are difficult to be pronounced by many human minds, even if they realize.
Its not the matter of supporting any political party. What concerns me the most is the radical ideology Of Islam and its hatred towards other religion and Its diagonally opposite attitude towards Hinduism (Of course it means that some time in the past it was close to Hinduism or parted from it for some reason .. Because You can be an enemy to a person whom you know !!)
I too have many Muslim friends who are too close. As human beings we seldom interfere in each other's religious privacy.
As a Hindu, I have never been tought by anyone to hate another religion.. though Hinduism has its own passive restrictions.
I am sure, Islam too has its rules based on the well being of the human race.. but its tampered by the radicals to such an extent that the common man doesnt come to know its values and virtues. No religion (If it is a true religion) teaches hatred, vengeance, aggression and any other negative human phenomenon. Its humans who create this environment and finally become victims of their own creation.
India, has in fact never attacked any neighbours in its part 5000 years of history. If we look at the morals in the great epics - Ramayana and Mahabharata, Vedas, Upanishads, Samhitas, Puraanas etc, no where the Hindu religion teaches these. The aggression that you are seeing in Muslims are not the teachings of Islam. Its also a natural phenomenon. Hence I accept that until it is harmless. A person living under difficult conditions is bound to be tough. I think the place of Origin of Islam says that all. People who are self sufficient, will be less concentrating on what others have. Place of Origin of Hinduism tells that.
Forget that you are a Muslim, Forget that Hinduism is a good religion. Just remember that you are a human being and others around you are also humans. Then you'll see how beautiful life is. You'll learn to see GOD in your fellow friends and people around you. Imagine a life where you feel secured.. You know that you are safe, because you accept the other person as GOD, your friend, your well wisher who cant harm you. That Faith will bring PEACE.
How many people actually understand what is religion?
Religion is "a way of life". How to lead a good life by following a set of rules, is what is religion. I was astonished and enthrilled when I knew that the religious scriptures in Hinduism have "Mantras" for each activity in the day of a human... starting from getting up from Bed till going to sleep at night. There is a "Mantra" for breaking tooth-sticks from a tree, and one even for applying oil on the body. There are rules, how to change clothes after a bath and how to sit and eat. These rules are "Thanks" to Ours "Existence" which is the ultimate "TRUTH" and "TRUTH" is nothing but "GOD".
See How differently Islam thinks from Hinduism. Islam Says -"ALLAH" is the only "GOD". That means, all other things around us are NOT god. This is a negative thinking. Hindus say - ALL things around us are GOD.(There is possibility of a statement with a NOT here)
The concept of a single God is also the essence of Hinduism (Nirakara Brahma). The concept of multiple Gods, is symbolic. Imagine you seeing a lady with ten hands (Goddess DURGA) !!! I am sure anyone would faint !! Thats not the fact.. ten hands symbolize ten types of Power she used to destroy the evil. If today's material Science (which is far less intelligent than spiritual science) can prove that we have decended from monkeys, then whats the problem in worshipping a monkey ? Hinduism knew the theory of evolution and the close association of Humans with monkeys. Islam being a religion that emerged much late, has not considered the evolution of Man, as a fact of religious thinking. Hindus, worship not only the Elephant, but Trees, Sun, Moon, Rivers, Earth, Air, Water and all other entities that are part of Nature. Isnt it a unconditional truth that Nature is the most powerful and the closest power to man that man can feel? Whats the harm in worshipping something that we can all see and feel, rather than worshipping an Unknown entity, who is undefined and un-felt by the common man? ALLAH and ISHWAR are difficult to feel and realize for the common man. They are for the Mullahs and the Pandits who are too knwledgeable to forget them. Nature is closer to all human. And, If you learn to see GOD in everything around you, You'll ultimately respect for everything around you, including Monkeys and Elephants, Trees, mountains, rivers, even a Stone under a tree. Thats the essence of Hinduism - FAITH. Where there is no Faith, there is no GOD. If there are thousand things for which I have to say - GOD is NOT in this..that, its more negativity than positive. I am left with only one option where I can say - GOD ..IS. Hinduism is the reverse - Gos "IS" in this stone, God "IS" in this TREE, The Earth "IS" a goddess...and so on. This is more asertive and positive. GOD is POSITIVE. Do you call people with so much FAITH in so many things, as "NON-BELIEVERs" (KAFIRS) ? Then whats the term for people who dont believe in the things that are all around them?
In the Hindu Epics, GOD is portrayed as a human... RAMA, KRISHNA who have a form that can be meditated upon. They are just like any other human beings, surrounded by Human Relations, and filled with Human sentiments. This portrayal is to bring GOD closer to Humans so that people can appreciate the characteristics of GOD..and may try to be GODly in their approach. It is for the common mass, who spend most of their time thinking about earning their daily bread and do not have time to meditate and realize something that they have never seen. I dont know - whether Islam teaches the existence of ALLAH in everything...or treats ALLAH as a completely differrent entity who is far from innocent human beings.
Hinduism, a religion which doesn't believe in converting people to itself. One who is Hindu, is so by his thoughts and deeds, there is no need to identify one self as a Hindu, by conversion. Most other religions do so to increase the count in their communities. Thats the reason, Hinduism has failed to estabish it self as a ruling religion in terms of power.
Anyone who has understood the essence of hinduism, and heartly accept non-violence, sacredness, non-aggression, tolerance of Hinduism, I welcome you friend. But Not to join Politics or to support any party.
Life is short. Politics will span many lives - It still will not be contented. The purpose should be to lead a peaceful and happy life filled with joy, love, compassion and all other positive energies.
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by bharath hindu on Feb 12, 2007 03:32 AM Permalink
great analyzation...felt good reading it...but do you really believe reasoning with these psychophants will change there hatred for other religions???? I doubt it! ..but deep in my heart..i really pray to GOD to prove me wrong...
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 08:49 AM Permalink
Dear Bharath Hindu,
Thanks. I too at heart wish, they learn how to come out of their hatred for other religions and live contented. I dont have hatred towards them.. so it hurts when I see they have.
How much I wish, all the wings of BHARAT (Pakistan, Bangladesh) combine together again and make it a powerful nation !!
The Berlin wall collapsed - So lets hope these walls too will vanish one day..
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 04:29 AM Permalink
Where there is no acceptance and no admittance, there is no learning. Their religion's strength lies in hatred for other religions, because there is nothing in their religion to be proud of.
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:16 AM Permalink
MY DEAR FRIEND IF YOU DONT NEED TO CONVERT SOMEONE THEN WHATS THE NEED FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN THE FALSE ESSENCE OF YOUR RELIGION AND THE FALSE ESSENCE OF ISLAM, FOR YOUR INFORMATION GO BACK TO YOUR SCRIPTURES AND YOU WILL FIND THAT YOUR RELIGION TEACHES YOU TO PRAY TO ONE GOD ALMIGHTY AND YOUR HOLY BOOKS SAY THAT THE GOD HAS NO SHAPE NO FORM AND NO ONE IS LIKE HIM SO WHY YOU ARE EXPLAINING ALL FALSE THINGS HERE AND CONFUSING YOURSELF AND OTHER BE A GOOD HINDU AND PRAY TO THE ONLY ONE GOD ALMIGHTY AND KEEP THAT TO YOURSELF NO NEED TO CONVERT OTHERS FIRST CONVERT YOURSELF BE A GOOD HINDU DONT ACT TOO SMART OK
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 08:45 AM Permalink
Dear Soheb,
Smart people dont need to "Act" smart. Hinduism doesn't go around inviting people to get converted..so there is no question of my need to convert anyone. Its you people who seem to be in a hurry to increase your population by marrying multiple times and avoiding birth control in the pretext of religion.
Think You didn't have the patience of reading my response completely. I have clearly written -
"The concept of a single God is also the essence of Hinduism (Nirakara Brahma). The concept of multiple Gods, is symbolic. "
"Nirakara" -> Ni akara = No Form
Please read the response without any bias and respond with relevance to the posting. Please don't post unprovoked frustration.
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by pieceful on Feb 12, 2007 11:28 AM Permalink
Dear friend Soheb Moinuddin, can you please answer these questions: 1.What is wrong in praying to more than one God? 2.Do you believe that shirk is worse than murder? (Is Al-Fitnah worse than killing?)
RE:I support of Hindu political party
by fareed ahmed on Feb 12, 2007 03:32 AM Permalink
Well Written Article... By the way , isnt your name Kapil Shekhar ? :P C'mon dude, Stop your abuse using A muslim name. You can do better than that!
RE:I support of Hindu political party
by yasir nabi mir on Feb 12, 2007 04:33 AM Permalink
If u didnt understand Quran & Hadith,the problem is with u not with the teachings.Could u please quote any verse from Quran or any teaching from Hadith which is against Humanity.A Muslim can never be a muslim unless he is kind,compassionate,merciful,peace loving.He has to be a good human being first. If u would have analyised carefully u would find that amongst innocents been killed throughout the world almost all are muslims.Its d western media which is controlling our minds.Labelling muslims as terrorists,fundamentalists.Killing of innocents is prohibited in islam irrespective of religion,caste,culture,language.One who kills any human being except for murder or creating mischief in d land,its as if he has killed the whole humanity.There r black sheeps in every community.They have no religion.For a few black sheeps u cant go on killing innocents in d name of war against terror.This way u r creating terrorists.Its d media who give a biased view & divide people. The best reply to the misconception that Islam was spread by the sword is given by the noted historian De Lacy O%u2019Leary in the book %u2019Islam at the cross road%u2019 (Page 8):
%u2019History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myth that historians have ever repeated Muslims ruled Spain for about 800 years. The Muslims in Spain never used the sword to force the people to convert. Later the Christian Crusaders came to Spain and wiped out the Muslims. There was not a single Muslim in Spain who could openly give the adhan, that is the call for prayers. Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian. Indonesia is a country that has the maximum number of Muslims in the world. The majority of people in Malaysia are Muslims. May one ask, %u2019Which Muslim army went to Indonesia and Malaysia Similarly, Islam has spread rapidly on the East Coast of Africa. One may again ask, if Islam was spread by the sword, %u2019Which Muslim army went to the East Coast of Africa?%u2019 The Muslims ruled India for about a thousand years. If they wanted, they had the power of converting each and every non-Muslim of India to Islam. Today more than 80% of the population of India are non-Muslims. All these non-Muslim Indians are bearing witness today that Islam was not spread by the sword
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 06:29 AM Permalink
Hi Yasir,
I have no hatred towards any fellow muslims. I am writting these only as a response to your posting.
You seem to be more familiar with Spanish, Arabian and Indonesian History, than Indian. Why you have not given any references to the conversions done during Aurangzeb's rule in India ? The Muslim plight in Spain or Arabia - doesn't heal the wounds they created in India.
Are your historical references more relevant than Kalim's reference to the remarks from his grandfather?
You have asked about muslim armys, in the context of conversion. May I ask, whether Babbar, Sher Shah Suri, and Timur lang and Chenghiz Khan were all born in India, or came with a marriage procession?
Subedar Of Bengal during Moghul rule, "Suleiman Karani" was known in the state of Orissa as "Kala Pahad" (Black Mountain) because of his appearance and figure. Do you know that he was responsible for killing thousands, invasion and destruction of temples like the "Sun Temple" in Konark including thousands of other temples.
Muslim interface with India has always been in the pretext of an invasion or plunder. Am I wrong ?
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by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:26 AM Permalink
dear surajit i agree with you that if some ruler had done wrong at some point of time why cry now , if you are a human being then you must feel the same pain for other communities what better had the extremist terrorist VHP,RSS and BJP had done to our country they made it to communal riots and let die all the innocent indians enjoying power and money of poor, so why not you come out destroy these people who are destroying whole india leave alone a temple mosque or a church , why dont you think to save complete india , why are you so particular to save a temple only, when there will be no india where will the temple stand on you HEAD , this a what a typical common HINDU doesent think as you are blind and only see thru VHP,RSS am i right
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 09:18 AM Permalink
Again you are mistaken. You missed what I have written -- "Anyone who has understood the essence of hinduism, and heartly accept non-violence, sacredness, non-aggression, tolerance of Hinduism, I welcome you friend. But Not to join Politics or to support any party."
I am thinking of a INDIA for all - Where the laws will be uniform for all. Where there will be no communal or pseudo secular organizations. I have to save my temples bacause its the temples that have been destroyed.. thousands of them !! Were any Mosques or churches destroyed by Hindus (Leave - Babri, that was 1 in response to the thousands). I can't keep the temples on my HEAD.. I have to borrow yours !!
RE:I support of Hindu political party
by soheb mohiuddin on Feb 12, 2007 08:11 AM Permalink
my dear friend i am sure u r not muslim and by telling yourself muslim and doing what a non muslim does it shows you are lying that you are a muslim , the moment you told you believe in more than one god That is enough to prove that you are a kafir & hence u are a non muslim in disguise, but still my dear friend i have sympathy with you and i invite you to present a single teaching in islam where it teaches terrorism and hatred and i am sure you will not be able to show a single proof so grow up dear this world is 21st century nothing is accepted without a proof YOU ARE A BIG LIAR AND SUPPRORTING VIOLENCE NOT PEACE
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by haresh jagtiani on Feb 12, 2007 12:55 AM Permalink
tell me why you as a muslim can marry four times and destroy a woman's life by just saying talaq 3 times, and why should the muslim women remain in a burqua whilst you muslim masculine can do what you like. Quaran preaches love to God and humanity, then why this singular cruelty towards muslim women. what if the women can say talak to men! Be sensible to your wife, mother and daughters. If you can marry 4 times just because of the excuse that your present wife cannot concieve, then this is your own satisfaction of marrying a poor another woman to satisfy your lust. You are Indian and be indian and behave like indian instead of arguing about one god and several. God is One and is called God, Bhagwan, Allah. Allah dwells in your heart and not anywhere. Be good and good will follow.
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by Surajit Dash on Feb 12, 2007 02:43 AM Permalink
I am not sure whether the points mentioned here are teachings of ISLAM, or are the creations of man. There is no point in hurting anyone for something that he himself doesn't accept. There is no point in hurting someone who accepts you and your religion for something thats in pactice by others.
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by anu radha on Feb 12, 2007 01:29 AM Permalink
Well Said... these muslims are breaking every law what Indian culture is all about. They marry any number of girls and also the corruption and voilence is soaked in their blood.
