Indians are known to be liberal and that too for somebody living in SFO the most liberal place in US its preposterous to even think about hate but Rajeev has shown us that you can not only turn your back on your tolerant religion (Hinduism) and liberal society (SFO), but you can also pledge earnestness while indulging in an insidious hate propaganda.
For every villifying claim that can be laid out against Islam there is an equally damning hindu custom sati, child marriage, widow abuse, caste system, Babri Masjid destruction, Gujarat massacre, Bengal riots. Righteous Hindus who condem all these acts might say that its not every Hindu but an insane few ... right but the same holds good for Muslims Mr.Imaan here who has exmplified tolerance is an example and ask your heart and it will remind you many muslims you have come across who are better human beings than your mantra chanting RSS Hindu friends.
Every major organized belief systems has had hatred and intolerance as its hallmark and Islam and Hinduism are no exceptions. So pointing fingers at any one of these systems and using the current affairs as an evidence is a pure manipulation of facts. And Rajeev is good at it because towards the end of the article he drops the Narendera Modi bombshell, Rajeev you are kidding right, Mr.Modi is a living example of everything that goes against the spirit of hinduism just because he is gleaning a few pennies does not make him a saint.
Also, your article and your blog tries to paint a false picture that Hindus were those holy saints who were manipulated and ruled by Persian invaders first and then by the Brits. This is a wrong and courageless conviction for it was Hindus who brought destruction upon themselves because 500 years ago it was so important that a member of a lower caste cannot enter your local temple while its not that pertinent if your country is under foreign rule. Elitism (read casteism) brought out by Hindu customs crushed the common man's spirit and pushed the masses into dark and ignorant centuries thereby paving an easy way for foreign conquests. So leave your morbid pay-back time idea because our folks din't fight then, they meekly surrendered and along with their wretched spirit they took away our sense of self-respect too which manifests itself in today's (read, 'hey, look I am special because I work in a call center and speak English and dress western') youth.
Lastly, it is commonplace for a lot of Hindus living in America to lean heavily on Hinduism fundamentalism for identity and pride because we are in the minority here. If you are so proud why don't you go back to your Trivandrum and work for the good of the poor and your religion in your country. Pure hipocrisy and madness.
And, oh, before anybody screams 'you pakistani' let me tell you I am as Hindu as it can get, but I choose not to lament on the long-last past and let myself filled with hate towards people who at that time were stronger and more organized than my forefathers.
No educated and sensible Muslim intends to harm Hindus and likewise for the Hindus. I am sure you guys are basically good people too, but you are over reacting to the threat of religious extremism cleverly propagated by cronies. By over reacting you are neatly playing into the hands of those who use religion to rake up chaos as a means to obtain power. This is their propaganda and they use your sincere love for your religion and country for their crooked means. The more you spread this hate, more insecure and volatile the Indian Muslims become because they live amongst a sprawling Hindu population which hates them and thats asking for trouble.
Sure, a lot of blood-letting has happened in the name of Islam recently, but if you look at who is behind this you will see that it is not the everyday man, but its some crook who forces people to do crazy things in the name of religion for his own sake and ignorant and poor people end up being entraped. Ignorance is the root cause of all these problems in India as well as in the middle east. For what its worth, in the spirit of a true Hindu try to do something to address this problem and refrain from spreading hate because it will only hasten everybody's demise.
IMHO, we (all Indians Sikh, Hindu, Muslim, and Christians) should all be proud of the diversity found in the social fabric of our country and embrace it in its current form rather than pining for that glorious and idealized past which will never come back.
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by Ibrahim Sheik on Feb 08, 2007 11:54 AM Permalink
Dear Brother Muralidharan, I think you are the only man in the crowd to understand the reality. Many thanks for your words..
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by Sirish R on Feb 10, 2007 05:36 AM Permalink
educated muslims and educated hindus.. you thought you are talking pretty sane!!!.. but sure not dude!!!.. things you only believe everything is propaganda!! whatever people hear happening the religious extremism is a propaganda!!.. what happened all this 1400 years propaganda!!!.. and ppl are over reaacting alot!!!.. but when you talk abt gujrat genocide!!!when you talk abt babri masjid they are real!!!.. wat happens in iraq and other middle east is a propaganda!!! what we hear and read the news of daily slaughter and bombs where not less than 100 people die that's again propaganda!!!.. wel said mate!!! lets all close our eyes raise our hands above and praise the Lord!!!!.. people like you are really really funny!!!.. what others see it just becomes propaganda by cronies!!!!
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by on Feb 08, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Your slogans ("all Indians are my brothers and sisters") are very nice, but bear no relation to reality. This is exactly what Kashmir's Hindus used to say until the Muslims started exterminating them with the slogan "Hindus must leave Kashmir, but leave your women behind". Wake up and smell the coffee.
While you are worried about the idealized past, the Muslims have a very clear picture about your future: one in which everybody on earth is a Muslim. They are working hard to make this happen. Similarly, Christians are working hard to make everybody on earth a Christian. If you are happy to be converted by force or coercion, that's your choice. If others protest, that's their choice, which you have to accept. The blood-letting is happening in the name of Islam everywhere that it exists: scholars talk about "the bloody borders of Islam". Individual Muslims are often nice and good people, but their mob mentality breeds violence at the drop of a hat. The cry "Islam is in danger" causes them to become mindless fanatics.
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by mandar on Feb 08, 2007 04:12 PM Permalink
This theory of conversion is just a humbug nicely propogated by the nonsense organisations like RSS, VHP & Bajrang Dal. If that was the case, Muslims ruled India for 700 years, so by then everyone here should have beem muslims. Nor is any missionary here up to converting others. This is just a ploy by Brahmins to engage the lower castes into the unnecessary fights in the name of religion and they enjoy the real power in terms of economical development, educational, etc.
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by brother muralidharan on Feb 08, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
You must be a clone of 'Prachi' who made the exact same nonsense assertion. 'Prachi' said Mughals ruled India for 700 years, you say Muslims ruled India for 700 years. In fact, Muslims ruled some parts of India between 1100 and 1700. They were constantly harassed by Hindus fighting back, or else they would definitely have converted all Hindus in India.
This bullshit about Brahmins shows that you are either a Church representative, because the Church is very concerned about Brahmins. Or else you might be Harsh Mander, who made up some colorful stories about Gujarat.
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by Shameer on Feb 08, 2007 02:44 PM Permalink
Show us some instances from Muslims were they converted others by FORCE (contemperory instances)...dont bluff ...every one has the right to spread their religion...one dont need to feel inferior. In its true sprit(take out castizm and all) Hindu religion can stand up to any religion in the world.
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by brother muralidharan on Feb 08, 2007 09:19 PM Permalink
Shameer, a) Bangladesh, b) Pakistan. Otherwise how did the population of Hindus in these countries go from 20% to nothing in a few years? Don't make me laugh and say all these Hindus suddenly saw how wonderful Islam was and converted joyfully. No, their women were kidnapped, raped and forced into marriage with Muslims, their property was taken away by force, and they were given a choice: die, convert, or run away. Most of them chose to other convert or run away.
You are a riot with your constant demands for information. Just read a newspaper or two now and then, and not just Arab propaganda.
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by mks on Feb 11, 2007 12:36 PM Permalink
What Education are talking about..people who commited 9/11 where highly educated...so was the person who killed daniel pearl...
You might say these people are in minority..but dude they are sufficient enogh to distroy modern world...
its not the question of spreading hatred its about being aware of the people areound...
You so called liberals never for get mentioning gujrat riots,babari masjid demolition,castes etc.. but you always tend to forget so called history of islamic brutalities...go and ask pandits ,bangaladeshi hindus ,pakistani hindus etc..
Common muslims are great...they don't hate hindus and other religions followers..don't give crap dude ..come out of your dream world...
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by mks on Feb 11, 2007 01:10 PM Permalink
Mr Modi did what bangladeshi ,pakistani muslim rulers do to hindus...
You so called hindus are aplogitic about it so i would suggest you to go and live in these places...
I am sure you will get converted(which i think you will do easily looking at your views in this forum) or get killed!!.Hindus are or were liberals..and thats the reason they got slaughtered everywhere...
However that dosn't bother liberals like you who keeping preaching from US.
And also why RSS basing all the time...many muslim fundamentlist orgs (bigger than RSS)are there too spreading hatred...why don't go and speak against them....
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by Mi lor on Feb 08, 2007 09:12 AM Permalink
Listen Buddy,This is an article to discuss the mentality of the muslims who as you know are specialize in spreading Jehadi culture by sword. Try to call spade a spade instead of imagining some excuses. Dont be so callous. A time will come when the Hindus will be extinct species because of apologetic people for muslims like you.
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by Vijay B on Feb 08, 2007 09:51 AM Permalink
WOW! That was a befitting reply to Muralidharan! Murali, if you keep up such a "wreck the best and suck up to the rest" you'll be damned one day, and that day you'll not even have the strength to repent. Thanks.
