The case can be seen this way - Mysore (erstwhile Kingdom - not ruled by British or India) needed to tide over frequent droughts. Dams were built to address
the situation. Many acres of land were submerged in Mysore (current Karnataka) to the dam waters. But the Kingdom benefited
from this. Money, land, labour was all provided by Mysore (not India, not British, not Tamil Nadu or Madras)
Kaveri does not generate water on its own - the water is collected from the catchment areas in Mysore during the rains.
Vast areas of land which were earlier submerged downstream, now came up. This was immediately reclaimed by Madras for
agriculture. Due to proximity to British, it was able to extract a favorable ruling. (The same applies to Mula-periyar with
which TN is fighting Kerala)
This meant all resources and foresight of Mysore for its prosperity and benefit was laid waste by Madras.
Karnataka has one rain season from the SouthWest Monsoon whereas TN has two - one from NorthEast and other from SouthWest
monsoon. (http://www.tn.gov.in/crop/rainfall.htm) Despite the two monsoons, why has TN not invested in building dams to store water in the Kaveri basin within its territory? simple it needs money to be invested and also lands will be submerged within its area. So its better that karnataka and Kerala build the dams with their money and lose their lands to provide water to TN.
The irony came to fore during the recent spate of floods - it accused Karnataka of releasing Kaveri waters causing more floods in TN. Common sense did not prevail to see that holding back a gushing river can cause a dam burst as well as flooding in Karnataka. So TN expects Karnataka to wag to its whimsies - hold water for us and release it as it pleases us.
The underlying point is - the Maharaja of Mysore blundered by deciding to merge with India. The demography of India was widely different from Mysore. Mysore/Karnataka had/has no problems - population density,
illiteracy, higher education, civil administration, judiciary, social equality.
The result are for all to see. Pls refer to the site of Union Ministry of Statistics
(http://mospi.nic.in/6_gsdp_cur_9394ser.htm) which confirms Karnataka growing at over 14% p.a. against the Union Of India's
growth of 9% p.a.
But history cannot be reversed and now we are part of the Union of India.
Consider the industries - hi-tech or manufacturing or aviation - Karnataka beats the Union.
But it suffers a body blow to its political aspirations because of less population - only 20 seats to the Union parliament.
Over the years, it has received step-motherly treatment vis-a-vis its populous neighbors.
Corporate earnings, service taxes and IT exports are filling the Union coffers with little coming back to the state. Name one
Kannadiga minister in the Union Cabinet over the last 60 years.
Consider TNs clout - Finance, telecom, health - all with tamils. See the way Dayanidhi Maran is functioning - not as Telecom
minister of the Union but of TN. Just see the no. of telecom projects he has diverted to TN at the expense of other states.
No matter what you call this, democracy as practised in India is flawed. It is more of mobocracy - vote-banks rules. The
results are obvious, you have smaller states feeling a sense of alienation. If this sense of alienation and lack of political equality is not addressed, it may prompt armed rebellion like what is already seen in the North-East.
Why cant India become a democracy in true terms like the United Kingdom and the USofA. Let each state have equal
representation in the upper house - say 4 seats per state. This will counterbalance the current advantage held by the
populous states. Why cant we become the United States of India?
Once this happens, all such trivial disputes will be resolved amicably. If TN wants water cached on Karnataka land, it pays a
premium to get it (for maintaining the dam as well as for the lands submerged due to the dam as well for maintaining the catchment areas to feed the river). To meet its water needs, it needs to build dams in the catchment areas in its territory. Bullying its neighbours Karnataka (over Kaveri) and Kerala (over mula-periyar) is no way for a civilized state to behave. TN cannot expect to raise 3 crops a season when Karnataka farmers do not have water to grow a decent 2 crops to sustain their households.
The whole world is watching Tamil behaviour to its neighbours both within the Union (Karnataka, Kerala and AP) and outside (Sri Lanka)
OK i agree we will build the dam. This rivers is common to india so let us give u land and we maitain the land will u break the dam and let the water to stay here so when ever u need we will give u.
If u start argue it will grow. First understand things are changing now. If u stop the channels burning buses / creating voilence will it stop everything.It gives bad approach about the country not about any Political parites.
This will also reduce the indian Economy. Dont we ashamed that we are still a Third world country.
About the Hindi National language:
See people are started realizing this and thing are changing now. It is a growth in TN why as we poeple in KA should realize that its our country and stop protest againts the water.
Not saying tat we only need water, don't politicalize.
We cant expect a country without voilence but we can stop punishing each other's because we both only are the loosers.
Lets aproch the Central to start planning for the River joining project. See we have very good eng & spend the money on these instead of violence.
I love india. If we are away from india we know what is india and how we are treated here. Still we are black and we are cheap workers(no mater ur a TN or KA). Please stop this.
RE:Kaveri waters
by Raghu Prakash on Feb 08, 2007 03:18 PM Permalink
funny stories........i don believe release the water.....if at all they release they ll mix the venom and make the water not useful to anything.....
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by The Lion on Feb 14, 2007 05:46 PM Permalink
It should be you......looking funny. If cant make out then tell eeeeeeeeeee e 'its funny'. a...hole!
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by khan on Feb 06, 2007 06:56 PM Permalink
dont get carried away with facts and figures you read and hear from papers and politicians. every issues will have two sides and try keeping yourself cool enough . If they try to block the electricity , the total revenue and economy will have an effect and all MNC will move out of our state . its always good to wait and watch and then act rather emotionalally reacting
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by on Feb 06, 2007 06:23 PM Permalink
Which law you are talking about? The law that is created to favour powerfull lobby(Karunanidhi and Dayanidhi).
Being a true Indian? Then I think you must know that Hindi is our national language. Learn Hindi as a national language.
You talk about Kannadigas...Everyone knows how accomodative Kannadigas are and how peacefull Karnataka is. Otherwise people will flock Karnataka for jobs and do investments in Karnataka. If I am not wrong you too could be working in Bangalore like so many Tamilians.
The crime rate is up in our state since people have started moving in from other states(majority from TN).
We have people who earn their daily bread from Karnataka , but not ready to mingle with local culture and local language. They dont have the manner to speak in a common langauge infront of other who dont understand their language. I have seen the incidents where these people interact while on call with clients too. And you speak about laws...
Now you want to club other issues of Karnataka with other states... we will resolve that . you dont worry about that.
Who said that Tamilians are peace loving people. They might have check the facts again. Your honourable cheif minister was beaten up left right center in front of the media... Just visit any Tamil dominated area in Bangalore ( Ulsoor, Cox Town...) You will come to know how peacefull Tamilians are.
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 12:39 PM Permalink
"well said these kongas & katpadis dont have a sense & reliase their mistakes... & these are ppl who turned bangalore into a slum..."
"Tamil dominated area in Bangalore ( Ulsoor, Cox Town...)"
- Had you just returned from Swiss or orthodox england. Stupid that is the 'class' of ppl by economy.
ppl from N karnataka seem to be civilizised by the southern regions are jut brutes and low civilizised. Much of imagination. a..hole!
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Arun s on Feb 06, 2007 06:38 PM Permalink
Hai Brother,
Every person is having a plus and Minus in their sides.
Think ones whether this is an war betweeen a country.Nooooooo this can be solved but voilence is not the only way ..
I born as a kannadiga and settledown in tamilnadu.Now i am working in bangalore.I know the peoples mind of both the states...
Only politicians creating this sentimental and dramas for doing their politics.
Think it..
Peace(NON-Violence) is the way for success not voilence..
I am seeing both the tamilians and kannadigas as my brother and sister also other state people.
This can be solved by making the rivers nationalised .Then lets us allow central to decide the waters for all the states acccording to the monsoons and their neeeds.
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by on Feb 07, 2007 01:12 AM Permalink
"Your honourable cheif minister was beaten up left right center in front of the media".. very true......and May I add ....By a person from Mysore (Iyengar- if Hebbar Iyengars call themselves Kannadigas today...then I don't have to complete the sentence). Instead of spewing venom and throwing mud on a community (half of which will fall on you) try to think rationally not like Vatal Nagaraj!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by bharadwaj bangalore on Feb 07, 2007 09:49 AM Permalink
BELL THE CAT IN THE CENTER NOT TO HURT THE LIVES OF CATCHMENTS & BANGALORE WHO'S LIFE LINE IS CAUVERY (mind you not kaveri, which mean hot-up)
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Rohit Shetti on Feb 06, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Hi More than half of Kaveri is in TN. Why has TN not built dams in its territory to harness rain water? Why does it want a share of water harnessed by Karnataka? Kaveri does not generate water from the earth - it is fed by the monsoons. Logic of sharing kaveri water is like - my colony invests in a rain-water harvesting system and gets good results; the neighbouring colony then begs or rather demands as a right water from the system!! will the sane TN people get this simple issue please..
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Rohit Shetti on Feb 06, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
Yes, the whole world knows Karnataka-- the only state which stands above the rest. It doesnt have the casteist politics of TN, the bulging population of TN. We dont need ministers to drive our economic growth like TN. TN achievements - CM who were previously bashed in front of media, ex-CM involved in uncountable corruption cases, Indian PM assasination, TN minister meddling with youth equality in colleges, meddling in neighboring countries and calling terrorists as liberation fighters.
You want more water, build dams in ur territory, u will have enough water. Dont keep begging, u never know when god will give u more water from the sea like in 2004.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by bharadwaj bangalore on Feb 07, 2007 09:53 AM Permalink
who cares boy... i'm kannadiga... my pupil married to tamilians & someday me too... but living peaceful life in hyderabad... & u got to be resonable to ask 60% inventory... u sure know what i mean & mind u tamilians are anti-indian & they dont accept hindi as national language as part of their educational curriculum...
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by on Feb 11, 2007 03:44 PM Permalink
we love our language.. we tamil can make hindi compulsory if any one of the dravidian language has to read by all people in north. give respect and take respect
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Ramakrishnan Venkatesh on Feb 06, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
Sorry there was a typing mistake. "But all this means that Kannadigas are opposite to this." should be read as "But all these doesn't mean that Kannadigas are opposite to this."
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by BR on Feb 07, 2007 02:28 AM Permalink
Yes because of As... Wh... like you, Karnataka is suffering. Yes You Kongas are always the problem creators.
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by on Feb 13, 2007 11:09 PM Permalink
Dear Raghu nath,
Before replying you should have understood in details about Kasargod, Belgaum.
Kanyakumari which was supposed to go Kerala was handed over to Tamil Nadu. To compensate Kerala, Kasargod was handed over to Kerala.
With regards to Belgaum, Mahajan Report which was prepared by Mahajan (himself being a Maharashtrian) has confirmed that Belgaum should go to Karnataka.
With regards to peace & non-violence, the whole world knows who assasinated Rajiv Gandhi
RE:Kaveri waters
by on Feb 06, 2007 08:22 PM Permalink
Hi Rohit,
I appreciate your points here and the statistics provided. I love kannada as a language and I have a passion for it hence I have learnt to read and write.
Coming to Cauvery issue, I do appreciate your points, but would want everyone to look beyond the past few centuries. If you look at history, rivers are the main reason for civilisation when all were united some thousands of years ago, human civilisation came up along the banks of river Cauvery too, which includes part of Karnataka and Tamilnadu. People living along the banks are entirely dependent on the waters of Cauvery, even before state of Mysore or State of Madras was formed. Now so many centuries later, one cannot expect all these settlements to move else where which is not practical or ethical. If the river is dry, civilsation along the bank will have no meaning. Hence as people of one country, we should look at our neighbours as our own people, irrespective of caste, religion or language and the sharing should be need based. I am sure the Tribunal considered all these before giving a verdict.
Rohit, imagine if Karnataka is geographically located in the place where Tamilnadu is. Will you still be writing the same what you have written here.
One should start looking at national issues with an open mind.
BTW I am settled in Bangalore and I need Cauvery as part of Karnataka.
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Rohit S on Feb 07, 2007 07:04 AM Permalink
Hi, I do accept water is essential for all civilisations to sustain. What I am trying to emphasise is close to 60% of kaveri catchment areas are in TN. Will TN pls build reservoirs and dams to harness rain water in these areas. It will not only provide more water (becos of two monsoons) but also additional hydro-electric power. The only reason to impediment TN govt is submergence of some land - this will be politically suicidal. But in the long term, the state as well as the Union will benefit.
I therefore even provided the example of a colony doing water-harvesting. By what TN is claiming it will be a blow to states who invest in water management projects. Also experts in irrigation point to the current water shortage crisis as being driven by reckless sugarcane ( a know water-guzzling crop) cultivation in the upper TN tracts. I am not opposed to Karnataka giving waters when there is excess, but when there is a drought, it gets first share as it had the foresight to invest in the water mgmt system.
RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Rajiv on Feb 07, 2007 11:35 AM Permalink
BTW Rohit, there are already 2 dams along Cauvery in Tamil Nadu, one is Mettur Dam and the second is Kallanai Dam. These are apart from few small dams along Cauvery and also few along Amaravathi another tributary of Cauvery. You should visit the cauvery delta area along the coast of Bay of Bengal to see how much of water is getting "wasted". As you claim, TN is not allowing excess water to get into sea, however some amount of water has to reach the sea for environmental reasons. We can not say why to waster water by sending it to sea, rather we will build a dam at the coast to retain all. If every country says that, imagine the situation will be disastrous.
I am trying to convey here, that the need is for us as well for TN, one us to understand that before being judgemental. Also, if you compare the final verdit with interim order, Karnataka stands to gain atleast 13 tmc. Please review the order carefully once again.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by Rohit S on Feb 07, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
Hi Rajiv, As I said earlier, what water harvesting does TN achieve with 60% of cauvery? What improvements has it done for crop mgmt? TN politicians have indulged in gimmicks like free rice, free TV, etc. Forests have been destroyed so that free land can be given to the landless. This besides destroying the environment also diverts money from educating masses on water conservation.
Also read this articles - http://in.rediff.com/news/2007/feb/06guest.htm http://waterresources.kar.nic.in/river_systems.htm http://www.india waterportal.org/Data%20&%20Resources/River%20Basins/Cauvery/
I have tried to get facts before writing. I also understand that Karnataka needs to release just 192 TMC of which 30 TMC goes to Kerala, 7 TMC to Puduchery and remaining to TN. But please remember the growth that karnataka is witnessing - it has accomodated all from the Union. It will need more water in years to come. What abt the distress years?
RE:Kaveri waters
by Kumar Shivappa on Feb 07, 2007 09:01 AM Permalink
You said "fight against non-violence" this shows what tamlians are??? You guys does want peace!!!
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by The Lion on Feb 07, 2007 09:47 PM Permalink
Hebbar Iyengars are tamils but moved to KTA because of losing their power and dominance in their place. So what! Even guys who reside their for long time and born there though speaking tamil looks dirty being infected from brutes.
RE:Kaveri waters
by Arun s on Feb 06, 2007 06:18 PM Permalink
Hai Brother Rohit,
First You are an INDIAN.I think u forgot the national anthem "ALL INDIANS Are Our BROTHERS and SISTERS"
In karnataka & tamilnadu bcoz of this politicians and some groups they are making dramas and sentimental comments to make voilence in karnataka only for their Votes and for doing politics.This people are teaching the karnataka people that any problem only violence is the solution.This is an GADHIJI country .VIolence will not give solution in any form.NO educated person will not thing about violence.
First think this is not a war between countries..
we are brothers and sisters and mainly we are indians.
DON"T FORGET WE ARE INDIANS FIRST....
ALL can be solved by making this rivers as nationalised...
RE:RE:Kaveri waters
by bharadwaj bangalore on Feb 07, 2007 10:02 AM Permalink
well... we are brothers & sisters... but ... the politics and regional understanding must be a scale & balanced. can u think someone asking u 60% of your inventory but nothing in return humiliation when congress not in state and aliance in center. thats rubbish... Bangalore's life line is not IT/ITES/BPO or 6 of Navaratnas but CAUVERY (MIND U NOT kaveri - means hotten-up in kannada )
