RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 26, 2007 07:43 PM Permalink
It is up to the girl to decide whether she needs to be modest or not. If she chooses her path to vulgar, then she suffers. Its upto her. What about your tennis player ? Is she wearing burqua while playing tennis? I hope not. Dont molest women by these post. Hope you were born to a women. Not to a donkey.
RE:@sriram sriram
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 26, 2007 07:42 PM Permalink
Women does not have any special rights in Hinduism. Everyone is equal. We see our country as a Godess. That serves the best as an example. I wont ask the same against you as you can give me none.
RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
then how can u expect from others they should have special rights for women in there religion, and plz do some practical work as well and stop abortions for baby girls if u can thats only enough to understand how much u respect a women in ur religion.
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 26, 2007 07:49 PM Permalink
Dowry is not only for Hinduism. It is general for every religion. Can you show me one arranged marriage that does not take dowry...? Abortion of child girls are becoz of dowry problem. Dont tie these things with religion. This shows how far your educated brain works.
RE:@sriram sriram
by khan on Dec 26, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Srinivas the culture in India for both muslism and hindus is very similar dowry female infanticide are all social evils. I belive in giving rights to women but usually men will exploit women as it is happening every day.
Khan I refuse to a accept the point made here...you are over-simplifying the facts here. The sorry state of affairs of Muslim women is a subject that needs due attention.
RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 07:54 PM Permalink
so ur coming to the points these are ur habits only u tie everything to muslims if something goes wrong?
RE:@sriram sriram
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 26, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
When one bomb rocks a place in India becoz of a mad muslim, then we can tolerate. How far can we go when we continuously hear bomb blasts across the country done only by muslims ? Do you want to given our shoulders to your pain ? You can't even tolerate the demolition of babri masjid - one incident. Becoz of this, can you give me the count of bomb blasts all over the country...?
naik no one is asking for special rights for women. But they have to be treated equally...and FYI Indian GOVt already has a legislation agains femal infanticide
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by subbu on Dec 26, 2007 09:37 PM Permalink
No voting right for women in many islamic countries!One man can marry four women but the women cannot do that!A man can divorce his wife at will but not the woman!Women are forced to wear burqa in hot middle east countries with the sole objective of confining them to their homes!Women are forced to dance as slaves and sold till recently in islamic countries!Women cannot go and pray in mosques as men are doing!Women are not at all educated in most of the muslim ruled phenotic staes including Saudiarabia.An evidence of man is equal to that of two women!Women cannot drive etc etc etc!!!!!!
RE:@sriram sriram
by khan on Dec 26, 2007 07:48 PM Permalink
The truth is islam has give many rights to women but many have used the rights given to men to exploit women. The concept of 4 marriages also is under certain conditions when there is a war when many women are desrted to protect them the rules were made but muslism have abused such rules . I blame the quran for not giving the right picture.
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by Vasanth Srinivas on Dec 26, 2007 07:52 PM Permalink
Dont blame Quran or Allah. Blame your own men. I know true muslims respecting women to their heart. You people follow madly behind any mullah. Most of the mosques are the places for terrorists becoz of them. It cannot be changed overnight. Everyone should think about it. Religion is to make man more human. But nowadays, man uses the religion to degrade himself more worse than animals.
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by naik on Dec 26, 2007 07:56 PM Permalink
read quran carefully and then blame that its first speak only about single marriage without reading carefully dont blame it
RE:@sriram sriram
by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
single Marriage ha ha....Then are u suggesting that most Muslims havent read the Quran since most follow Polygamy ?
BTW that is not my main grouse...My main grouse is the lousy restrictive and barbaric Shariat philosophy.
RE:@sriram sriram
by khan on Dec 26, 2007 08:03 PM Permalink
krishnamohan STOP SPREADING FALSEHOOD BY SAYING MOST MUSLISM FOLLOW POLYGAMY can u prove that
Ive seen this.....Ive stayed in Mumbai,Delhi,Hyderabad and UP and this trend is observable everywhere.Not to mention Oppressive regimes in the middle East....I AM NOT AGAINST PROGRESSIVE MUSLIMS,and i can say from the way u communicate and respond that u are among the progressive kind....But i'm letting u what ive seen.
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:37 PM Permalink
can u stop falsehood by saying vitimc as well got lashes, for ur kind information only criminals get punishment not victims, yes they will get punishment who are indulge with sex before marriage there is punishment for both but not for victims so plz u wait for another 2-3 years to take admission into kindergarten coz even ur not enough for that
RE:@sriram sriram
by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 08:49 PM Permalink
Sex before Marriage is a crime ? a punishable one ? On what grounds ? I think youve come through a time warp from the dark ages.
BTW u are obviously not aware of the recent case in the news....Why do u think it got highlighted ?
BTW i mentioned the kindergarten bit because it appeared u did not comprehend properly,about the VICTIM being punished too with lashes because she was in the comopany of an unrelated male.I usually do not esort to Ad Homs....
RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:05 PM Permalink
the problem with u guys always speaks out of context not only u if u see to ur all preachers they do the same things, if i do the same things then i can proof ur not on ur religion if i start speaking out of context from ramayan and bhgvad gita u will find ur self in different position
the problem Naik is, you ONLY talk what your moulwi tells you. You see we are NOT bound by our priests and Godmen in that way. If someone is a Sham we will call that guy a faker...we will NOT become Kafirs in the process...that's why we are able to re-invent our Religion and weed-out evils like Sati...
Infact most religion in the world have this Flexibilty. Only Islam seems to be caught in 7th Century and you all have to evolve it.. No offence meant here..
RE:RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:18 PM Permalink
there is nothing need to be changed in Islam everything is for good and benficial for all mankind
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by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
there is nothing need to be changed in Islam everything is for good and benficial for all mankind
Ok..so is that ALL that you are going to say..? its unfotunate the Greater Jihad or the fight for a Just society and victory over vices, has been forgotten by Muslims across the world and owing to mis-representation this Religion is going to meet its doom
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:44 PM Permalink
Jihad means fight against cruelty and for ur defense its definately doesnt mean to kill innocent people if somebody is doing that they are not muslims so please dont tie people who kill innocent people with muslims.
Ok Naik I saw the response below and I will explain harbis in a moment, but PLEASE tell me WHY NO MUSLIM LEADER of any significance is opposing this mis-representation of Jihad..
Its almost as if the Idiots like Osama bin-laden are taking a campaign of false-hood most probably in alliance with Weapons manufacturers across the world to contnuously carry this kind of a low-inensity conflict...Its UNFORTUNTE that they have to mis-lead so many followers in the path of faith and that to me is a greater SIN...why doesn't the Genuine Islamic scholars reach-out with this message of peace...?
Whatever I learnt abt islam was owing to my curiosity...not becasue I got answers readily...I hope you get my point here..!
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by naik on Dec 26, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
every true muslims condems that acts which is harmful for mankind may be that messages are not reaching to u but if u there are millions of people who condem for his brutal act
RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:51 PM Permalink
u called that dharam yudh and muslims called that jihad if somebody says dharam yudh means killing innocent people will u accept that?
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by sriram sriram on Dec 27, 2007 05:12 AM Permalink
Precisely..!! I will definitely fight any misrepresentation of m RELIGION...even IF it is done by the so-called God-Men.
But what we are seeing is the Islamic leaders cry hoarse from roof tops against a Salman Rushdie or a Taslima or a Danish Cartoonist....and would NOT do so against a Osama bin Laden, Afzal guru or other terrorist. It is this bias in the name of religion which is Condemable..
RE:@sriram sriram
by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 08:02 PM Permalink
And countries where a rape VICTIM gets lashes and gets whipped,till the 'Sultan' pardons here for her 'crime' !!!! What insanity.
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:25 PM Permalink
it happens in every country there number of cases where courts find him innocent after spending 20-30 years in jail recently it happened in pune judges are human being they make mistakes so u cant blame there religion
RE:@sriram sriram
by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 08:28 PM Permalink
Dude Naik...U obviously cant comprehend properly.....Read carefullly...In Saudi arabia,the rape VICTIM got lashes too....If u still dont get it,i suggest u go back to Kindergarten.
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:16 PM Permalink
MAHR this is the act which is most helpful for women coz she is going to set a new house so she can use that according to her wishes above that it will stop the infaticide.
Purdah that will protect women dignity and self respect even it can protect from eveil eye(rapist and other criminals)
Talaq women have equal rights for that they can take qula if man is giving that then it is called talaq if women then it is called qula. how can u say these are 1 sided so please firest educated then speak
Talaq = Women get the right for Talaq IF AND ONLY IF the man provides it during NIKKA. And he MAY NOT give KABOOL IF this conidtion is stated.
Purdah - A piece of cloth covering the whole body wull prtect against what??? so your answer to Crime control esp Rape is a Pardha...hmmm I will give you another chance to come up with something more sensible. Are you trying to say man doesn;t have to protect his dignity and self-respect..???
RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:31 PM Permalink
if u c the fact its more respect for women coz if she doesnt accept or say kabool nahin then nikkah wont take place so women are more rights compare to men she can make it or brake it. i am really sry for being rude for an example i am saying if u go outside home with ur sister who is young and please tell me hoestly to whom most of the people c whether u or ur sister i hope that is the answer for ur question once again i am really sry if it hurts u
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by sriram sriram on Dec 26, 2007 09:01 PM Permalink
No you didn't hurt me... naik I get your point...IF you are referring to sighting..i feel its a very natural thing..infact i would say equal number of girls also sight men...which is again perfectly normal for a humanbeing with hormones active in the system.
The problem is IF it becomes a trouble for the opposite party...again this could be the case for both the sexes...NOT just for women..!
Related to dar-al-hard and dhimmis..IF you genuinely don't know I can explain.
I'm sure they taught you this in the Madarasas...I learnt all this from a peace-loving Islamic scholar...(don;t be surprised..he's really peace-loving..:o))
Hope you read my point about greater jihad above also...Cheers.
RE:RE:RE:RE:@sriram sriram
by naik on Dec 26, 2007 08:46 PM Permalink
honestly i am saying i dont know the meaning of harbis and i gave u answer abt jihad above
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by naik on Dec 26, 2007 09:27 PM Permalink
i have to leave now if u want to contact me u can at hindustani.228@rediffmail.com thanxs and sry if i hurts anybody
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by azaad on Dec 26, 2007 10:15 PM Permalink
most common issue afflicting muslim society is that it is controlled by moulvi's who are not exposedto the modern democratic /secular education...they have been brainwashed in believing that as theirs isthe only path to reality...but if that were to be no other paths would have survived..prospered for centuries...the exisisatance of ther ways to reach god itself proves the theory of single path to god as wrong... let the moulvi's /muslims understandthis first many,many problems of themwill be solved by default
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by naik on Dec 26, 2007 09:16 PM Permalink
tell me honestly how many cases have u seen where mens have been attacked for rape u will get 99% cases where u finds mens are who attacked the girls, yes i do agree with you girls as well look at men but they are more patient compare to men but mens not i hope u got my point
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by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Crimes against women are LEAST in developed liberal countries like Sweden and MOST in oppressive regimes...Humans would be reduced to animals if there is an uneasonable segregation between the sexes,whereas if we are honest and open about certain facts of life.
RE:@sriram sriram
by krishnamohan chandrahasan on Dec 26, 2007 07:53 PM Permalink
sure...A sane voice at last....Please start implementing,soundbytes would not help....Let this message spread across all Muslims....BTW would u have been able to utter the same in Saudi Arabia?
