I request all indian secularists to do a research on Bible and Quran . If these 2 books sound secular, indian secularism makes sense. Else, Indian secularism is a joke.
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:29 AM Permalink
You are bang on target. Rupert Hughes book "Why I quit going to Church" and a apostate Pakistani Anwar Sheik's autobiography can be the starting point. Ram Swarup has written a book Islam through Hadis- Religious faith or fanaticism. This book was sought to be banned by the Deobandi school of Indian terrorists but the Supreme Court of India rejected it, advising Ram Swarup to remove certain portions like the one on Qibla direction was originally towards jeusalem could not be substantiated by many reference etc. So the Supreme court held that his published work was indisputable. Hence please use it as a reference. Censors with shaky knees on this board should not be afraid of any fatwa
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:31 AM Permalink
Books are available online free for reading- a noble cause indeed to reveal the cults
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 07:45 AM Permalink
In the quran Mohd talks thus ""...And a route he followed, until when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it to set in a miry fount; and hard by he found a people...Then followed he a route until when he reached the rising of the sun he found it to rise on a people to whom we had given no shelter from it." (Sura 18:83-89). but is this not similar to Iliad, Book 7, 421-423; Iliad, Book 8, 484-486 and Iliad, Book 18, 239-242?
Sura 18:85-86 "One (such) way he [Zul-qarnain] followed, until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We [Allah] said: %u2018O Zul-qarnain! (Thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness." "Murky" has also been translated as "muddy" and "black". "spring of %u2026 water" has also been translated as "spring". M.H. Skahir translates this as "black sea".
Conclusion: The Qur%u2019an teaches the following:
The earth is flat, spread out like a carpet and pegged flat by mountains
The sun has a defined path through the day, then sets in a muddy/murky spring and goes to Allah%u2019s throne.
The sun then rises at a specific spot
Except for five "retrograde stars" (planets), the stars are hung like lamps.
Mohammed taught early Muslims this as a literal truth, not just a metaphor or simile.
RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 08:44 AM Permalink
The Xian censor on this board is refusing to allow reproduction of Biblical passages to prove that Biblical claims on flat earth
RE:RE:Research Bible and Quran
by Ekalavya Krishnan on Dec 27, 2007 08:48 AM Permalink
are passages like these false abisha please reply? Job 26:7 has also been cited as proof that the writer of this book knew that the earth was a sphere: "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place and hangeth the earth upon nothing." An NAB footnote at this verse says, "The North: used here as a synonym for the firmament, cf. Is. 14:13," (emphasis inserted). Thus, we read, "He stretches out the dome (firmament) over the empty space." In other words, the dome was unsupported in the middle. The reference in Isaiah 14:13 says, "You (King of Babylon) were determined to climb up to heaven and place your throne above the highest stars (see the graphics). You thought you would sit like a king on that mountain in the north where the gods assemble." The "north" was indeed used as a synonym for the heavens or firmament, so the passage was actually speaking of a "mountain in the heavens where the gods assemble."
"He... hangeth the earth upon nothing" simply expressed a Hebrew belief that the flat earth, although supported by pillars, did not rest on the back of Atlas or a turtle or an elephant, as their pagan neighbors believed. In this Job was right but not because he was inspired; otherwise, he wouldn't have said in the same context, "The pillars of the heavens tremble and are stunned at his thunderous rebuke," (26:11). He thought the thunder was God's voice!
