What are these suicide bombers aiming at? They are such weak and psychologically-ill people. They donot understand the value of life. Coz of these idiots, innocents get killed and army-men sacrifice lives. While religious fanatics are having fun, politicians are making the best out of this drama. Islam is earning a bad name worldwide coz of this. Am not a muslim but i can assure no religion would encourage human slaughter... I can also assure, all muslims do not hate hindus and vice versa.. It is lack of communication that brings in misunderstanding. We can make use of such platforms to convey our love and concern for each other... and make this world, a better place...
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by Fried Yakov on Dec 21, 2007 07:57 PM Permalink
There were three Jewish tribes living in and around Yathrib, the Banu Qainuqa%u2019, the Ban Nadir and the Banu Quraiza. Once Muhammad realized that they are not going to accept him as their new prophet, he turned against them. He banished the first two, after confiscating their properties and wealth and massacred the last one.
Genocide of Banu Quraiza: (From Understanding Muhammad)
The last Jewish tribe of Yathrib to fall victim to Muhammad%u2019s vindictiveness was the Banu Quraiza. Soon after the Battle of the Trench (Khandaq) was over, the Meccans, fed up with Muhammad%u2019s constant raids on their caravans, came to the gates of Medina to punish him. Advised by a Persian believer, they dug trenches around the city making it difficult for Muhammad%u2019s enemies (The Confederates) to enter, causing their retreat. Muhammad set his eyes on the Banu Quraiza. He claimed that the Archangel Gabriel had visited him %u201Casking that he should unsheathe his sword and head for the habitation of the seditious Banu Quraiza and fight them. Gabriel noted that he with a procession of angels would go ahead to shake their forts and cast fear in their hearts,"[1] writes Al-Mubarakpouri. Al-Mubarakpouri continues: %u201Cthe Messenger of All?immediately summoned the prayer caller and ordered him to announce fresh hostilities against Banu Quraiza,%u201D[2]
It is important, in studying Islam, to note that the call to prayer was also the call to war. Muslim%u2019s riots an
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by Fried Yakov on Dec 21, 2007 07:58 PM Permalink
It is important, in studying Islam, to note that the call to prayer was also the call to war. Muslim%u2019s riots and hooliganism always initiate from the mosques after they offer their prayers. They are most vicious during the holy month of Ramadan and on Fridays. In a sermon commemorating the Birthday of Muhammad, in 1981, the Ayatollah Khomeini said:
Mehrab (Mosque) means the place of war, the place of fighting. Out of the mehrabs, wars should proceed. Just as all the wars of Islam proceeded out of the mehrabs. The prophet had sword to kill people. Our Holy Imams were quite militants. All of them were warriors. They used to wield swords. They used to kill people. We need a Caliph who would chop hands, cut throats, stone people. In the same way that the messenger of All?used to chop hands, cut throats, and stone people.[3]
Muhammad headed an army of three thousand infantry men and thirty horsemen of Ansar (Helpers) and Muhajireen (Emigrants). The Banu Quraiza was accused of conspiring against the Muslims with the Quraish. In reality, these Muslim historians deny this charge and say the Meccans withdrew without fighting because they did not receive support from the Banu Quraiza.
When Muhammad made his intentions known, Ali, his cousin and staunch supporter, swore he would not stop until he either stormed their garrisons or was killed. This siege lasted 25 days. Finally the Banu Quraiza surrendered unconditionally. Muhammad ordered the men to be
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by Fried Yakov on Dec 21, 2007 07:59 PM Permalink
Finally the Banu Quraiza surrendered unconditionally. Muhammad ordered the men to be handcuffed, while the women and children were confined in isolation. Thereupon the Aws tribe, who were allies of the Banu Quraiza, interceded, begging Muhammad to be lenient towards them. Muhammad suggested that Sa%u2018d bin Mu%u2018adh, a ruffian among them who had been fatally wounded by an arrow, give a verdict on the Jews. Sa%u2019d was a former ally of the Banu Quraiza, but since his conversion to Islam he had a change of heart against them. He also blamed them for the fatal wound he received when a Meccan threw an arrow during the Battle of Trench. Muhammad knew how Sa%u2019d felt about the Banu Quraiza. He was, after all, his bodyguard and slept in the mosque.
Sa'd's verdict was that %u201Call the able-bodied male persons belonging to the tribe should be killed, women and children taken prisoners and their wealth divided among the Muslim fighters.%u201D
Muhammad became pleased with this cruel verdict and said that %u201CSa%u2018d (had) adjudged by the Command of Allâh."[4] He often credited Allâh for his own decisions. This time he chose Sa%u2019d to verbalize his whims.
Al-Mubarakpouri adds that %u201CIn fact, the Jews deserved that severe punitive action for the ugly treachery they had harbored against Islam, and the large arsenal they had amassed, which consisted of one thousand and five hundred swords, two thousand spears, three hundred armors and five hundred shields, all of which went into the hands of the M
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by Fried Yakov on Dec 21, 2007 08:00 PM Permalink
into the hands of the Muslims.%u201D
What Al-Mubarakpouri forgets to mention is that the Banu-Quraiza had loaned their weapons as well as their shovels and picks to Muslims so they could dig the trench and defend themselves. Muslims will never be grateful to those who help them. They will take your help and will stab you in the back the moment they no longer need you. We shall see in the next chapter the psychology of this pathology.
Muslim historians have been quick to accuse the Banu Quraiza of the usual baseless charges to justify their massacre. They accused them of being mischievous, causing sedition, being treacherous and plotting against Islam. However no specifics exist as to the nature of those sins to warrant such a severe punishment and their total genocide. Trenches were dug in the bazaar of Medina and between 600 to 900 men were beheaded and their bodies dumped in them.
Huyai Ibn Akhtab, the chief of the Banu Nadir whose married daughter, Safiya, Muhammad took as his share of the booty when he invaded Khaibar, was among the captives. He was brought to the victor with his hands tied from behind. In an audacious defiance he rejected Muhammad and preferred death to submission to this brute man. He was ordered to kneel and was beheaded on the spot.
To determine who should be killed, the youngsters were examined. Those who had grown pubic hair were bundled with the men and beheaded. Atiyyah al-Quriaz, a Jew who had survived this massacre later
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by Fried Yakov on Dec 21, 2007 08:07 PM Permalink
Atiyyah al-Quriaz, a Jew who had survived this massacre later recounted: %u201CI was among the captives of Banu Quraiza. They (the Muslims) examined us, and those who had begun to grow hair (pubes) were killed, and those who had not were not killed. I was among those who had not grown hair.%u201D[5]
Muhammad killed and banished several Jewish tribes, among them are B. Qainuqa%u2019, B. Nadir, B. Quraiza, B. Mustaliq, B. Jaun and the Jews of Khaibar. On his deathbed, he instructed his followers to cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of all non-believers,[6] an order that Omar, the second Caliph carried out later. He exterminated the Jews, the Christians and the pagans, forcing them to convert, leave or put them to death.
Now, enriched with the loot, Muhammad could be even generous to those who believed in him. Anas narrated: %u201CPeople used to give some of their date palms to the Prophet (as a gift), till he conquered Banu Quraiza and Banu An-Nadir, whereupon he started returning their favors.%u201D[7]
There is a verse in the Qur%u2019an that speaks about the massacre of the Banu Quraiza approving Muhammad%u2019s butcheries of their men and taking women and children as prisoners.
He caused those of the People of the Book who helped them (i.e. the Quraish) to come out of their forts. Some you killed, some you took prisoner. (Q. 33: 26)
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by Satyajeet Mohapatra on Dec 22, 2007 02:21 AM Permalink
What are all these bullshit. We dont need to know abt your Story. better read Bhagwad Gita or ramayana. It will make your life better
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by P Zipk on Dec 21, 2007 08:04 PM Permalink
Sorry to break this to you, Madhuri but religions do encourage violence if you do not agree with their idealogy. All religions for that matter. On one hand they preach peace and tolerance but on the other they directly or indirectly call for the destruction of non-believers. This fact is abundant in all religions including Islam and Christianity and Hinduism. Christians and Muslims have waged religious wars for hundreds of years and slaughtered millions of people. And it continues today.
I am not saying there is nothing to learn from religion. The problem is with interpreting religion literally. Do you need religion to touch god?
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by amit jain on Dec 21, 2007 08:19 PM Permalink
All religions create violence. Therefore, stick to your own religion and dont think that conversion to Islam will give you peace or Nizam e Mustafa. Human beings can never live in peace.
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by madhuri on Dec 21, 2007 08:23 PM Permalink
I believe religionism and regionalism confine human thinking... Why cant these people think beyond religion and region? I guess, am wrong, they r thinking beyond their horizon and want to conquer everything. Isnt it? Whats the fun in following any religion, if one cant respect and protect one's life and other's lives. I pity them all. I wish these insane people get to read and meet people like us,, we would tell them 'We are here to live together and Not to kill each other...'
RE:Its unfortunate... Politics & Terrorism
by Drive A McLaren on Dec 22, 2007 12:07 AM Permalink
Thanks for the history lesson. Why are we learning all this huh?
