Hindu society has not done any thing to bring converted muslims back to Hinduism. Earlier Swami Shraddhanand was doing so. But he was killed by a muslim killer for this work of his. After that no efforts have been done. We should start these efforts again. This will end all the conflicts between Hindus and Muslims.
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 01:59 PM Permalink
Most welcome. but you should debate in decent way. no abuse to others faith,prophet or books.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:02 PM Permalink
Unless we show them the shortcomings in their present faith, it is difficult to convince them to come within Hindutva.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
Yes. Both works are to be done together. Show them their shortcomings and our own superiority. Then let them compare themselves and select the right path.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
I differ on this matter with you. Patriotism has a close relationship with religion and sect. But there are exceptions too. Just being a Hindu does not mean being a patriot Indian and being a non-hindu also does not mean being anti-india. Actually we have to judge ourselves by our deeds. If we support a terrorist only because it belongs to our faith, is not patriotism at all. The general view is that most of the muslims think not in terms of the country but in terms of their faith and most of Hindus think in terms of the cuntry. You see, no Indian supported criminals like Babloo srivastava or Natwarlal or Charles Shobraj or Satwant singh etc etc. But it is only in muslim community that there are many supporters of Afzal and Madani. Why?
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Dear vijay so the discussion is finish. still we ar inside hindutwa as per you. only we believe and pray in our way. thats all . so the term come back is not existing
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 02:47 PM Permalink
Dear vijay you got wrong. we will never support wrong things even it from our side say india or our sect. can you show me any one who supports a terrorst only bcs they are from their sect.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Yeah Saleh, I am ready to call myself a proud hindu if Vijay means what he says.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
Definitely you are. Deen Dayal Upadhyaya (ever heard his name?) called Indian muslims as Muhammadi Hindus and Indian christians as Jesusian Hindus. But as I have written in other comment in this discussion, to be a true Indian, you will have to keep India first and every thing else later. You can not do so, if you support terrorists and criminals only because they belong to the same sect to whome you belong.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
So according to you Christians and Muslims are also hindus. I am also hindu. If hinduism is about freedom to choose then everyone is hindu. then why this killing and violence ?
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:11 PM Permalink
So lets assume you want to bring me back to hinduism. What would be one thing that you would tell me that I come back to the fold of hinduism. One such that that would atleast truly make me think about hinduism as a option. i am not making fun or you. Its a genuine question.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:03 PM Permalink
I am happy to know that you don't support any terrorist. But.... (It is big BUT) what about most of others?
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
see this is the ugenda . first you are saying some body is a terrorist. and then you make all the others who support them. for example. Madani how you can say he is a terrorrist and in which basis. For Afsal guru no muslims said that he should not hanged even if he is aterrorist. but only asked for the right to present his side. i hope you got the point
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
Patriotism is not a property of any religion. Its not right to question the faith of people who have never known any other country than India. Most people in India die without traveling to any other country. I have met many hindus living in US who say India is dirty, India is sick etc... Is that patriotism ?
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:21 PM Permalink
Thank you for your genuine interest. I am giving reply to the best of my knowledge and belief. Hinduism is more nearer to Humanity, because it treats every creature from ant to elephant as a part of its own soul. It does not believe in torturing anybody only because it does not believe in Hinduism and has faith in some other religion or sect. Hinduism does not mean a particular form of worshipping. You are free to worship the God in any form and call it by any name you please. This is the biggest virure of Hindutva. We believe that Truth is one, although it may be said in many ways and God is one, although it may be called by many names. Are you understanding? Any question?
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 03:00 PM Permalink
As far as I know only Kashmiris supported Afzal and there was no support for him from rest of Indian muslims. So its a regional problem not a religious. if you want to see it that way then no one can help it.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
Hahaha. Never in the history of humanity people have converted due to short comings of their faith. They have always converted because they found the other faith more adaptive to their conscience. For e.g. I was a born as a hindu. But then I kept reading about different religions. Then I decided that I can only have a neutral view point if I dont follow a religion. I did. I see my conscience much clearer than the people who claim to belong to x or y religion.
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by Rayan Sequeira on Dec 11, 2007 02:27 PM Permalink
shortcomings or no we should let them follow their relion and first think that we are indians rather than placing our religion in front of our nationalism
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
The matter is not so simple. The basic problem is that they follow a sect which has no faith in any nationality. To be a true Indian, we have to be national first. Unless we have full faith towards our country and nothing else more than that, we can not be called true Indians. Only citizenship does not suffice.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:30 PM Permalink
I still can not believe. I too have some muslim friends, who have taken even dinner with me in my house and I have taken food in their homes No RSS worker will hate any muslim, only because he is muslim. There should be some other reason or they (I mean RSS activists) must be misguided. Perhaps they belong to Shiv Sena, not RSS. Check your facts. RSS beleives in the most liberal ideology of Hindutva. Don't mix extremist Hindus with RSS. This mistake was once done by Nehru ji, who thought that Hindu Mahasabha and RSS are same. Gandhi was murdered by a Hindu Mahasabha activist, but Nehru tried to punish RSS and failed miserably. Still many fools today think that RSS killed Gandhi.
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
it is very interesting recently i read some news from Mr. Sudershan which is tottaly against indian intereast. and it is very easy to understand from the behaviour of the people who goes to shaka. i had a best friend named Unni Krishnan in my child hood. even i used to sleep at his house for some nights b4. but now situation got changed. he joined shaka and looking me as his enimy bcs iam a muslim. i still did not join any of sect, from our religion. so why he is showing hatred to all muslims after he joined the shaka. may be ther it is not teaching hatred directly. but automatically their mind get changed after go deeply in to the classes. i have somany experiances.
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 02:51 PM Permalink
vijay for your previous qust. it was happend in Kerala. puthiyakaavu trissur dist. my friend's name is Sameer. just check if you have aproper link
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:01 PM Permalink
As I belong to North India (U.P. to be precise), I have no link in Kerala. But I don't still beleive that they beaten your freind Sameer only because he went to a shakha. Not possible at all. There should be some other matter. Please ask him to contact a senior (I mean old) RSS worker at his locality and talk with him If he has any grievence still not resolved, he is free ot write to RSS chief Sh. K.C. Sudarshan ji at his Nagpur address (just right RSS head qtrs, Nagpur in address). He will definitely reply.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:26 PM Permalink
If you want to know how we can communicate with each other, then I will like to say that you should go to a RSS shakha daily for few days or an Arya Samaj or Jain temple for few days and hear their preachings.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:56 PM Permalink
You are highly biased against RSS. You have not seen it from close. Who told you RSS is listed as terrorist outfit? Give me reference. First go to some Shakha for few days and see with your own eyes. No RSS man believes in violence. I am working since my childhood and I have not seen anyone killing even a fly. Ofcourse we oppose and will always keep opposing anti-national elements whether they are hindus or any others.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:23 PM Permalink
Leet the media say anything. Don't give them more importance.
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by selah on Dec 11, 2007 02:35 PM Permalink
One of my friend went to shaka and RSS beat him bcs of his muslim name. so sugest some practical idea. why dont we share our email to communicate
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:38 PM Permalink
I can not believe that this happened in a RSS shakha. Please give me name of the place. You can email me on vijayks@rediffmail.com.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:41 PM Permalink
RSS is widely seen as a terror outfit in the world. Infact it is listed as a terror outfit in US. So its a shame that great ideology like hinduism has to be represented by violent and intolerant people like RSS. This is what takes me away from religion.
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by pramodm on Dec 11, 2007 02:57 PM Permalink
in the name caste we are insulted even today. ther is no equal respect evenwhen we are educated. what has hinduism given us low castes? We can believe a leader like vivekananda but not modi,or advani and so. hinduism is a religion that oppressed many indians
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
Castism is a different thing and it is totally wrong. I know there are some people who still think in terms of castes, but most hindus do not. I myself never believe is castism. In RSS it is prohibited to ask anybody his caste. WE have many great leaders in BJP, RSS, VHP who belong to all different castes without any exceptions. And they all are given equal respect. Please do not make it a general view if somebody has done unjustice to you on the basis of your caste.
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 03:33 PM Permalink
Geeta is correct. We are by birth very near to shudrism i.e. unpurity. By our deeds we achieve Brahmanatva. What is wrong in this? If we do good works, we will have good and high achievements. If we do bad works, we will get punishement and hatred. It is natural law.
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by pramodm on Dec 11, 2007 03:21 PM Permalink
Shankara's monism says that everything is Brahman i.e there is only one reality and all else is maya. Ramanuja's dualism says, every things is a reflection of brahman. So why these divisions and discriminations? Gita says person is judged by karma not by any. Every one is the child of God
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 01:55 PM Permalink
Is that possible? My personal opinion is no. Why should religion be so important at all ? Why cant we be just Indians ?
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by Vijay urf Teesmaar Khan on Dec 11, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Religion is very important. It shapes our mind and gives a purpose for our life. A faith is most powerful motive for any good or bad work. So it is important that most of the people on earth have faith in a religion which is nearest to humanity. At present such a religion in Hindutva and its some branches like Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism etc.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:10 PM Permalink
Do you really think that present day hinduism and its leaders represent humanity and love?
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Well. Try finding one and you will find a hundred. I dont want to hurt your sentiments by raking up issues which are extremely inhuman and dirty.
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by indian atheist on Dec 11, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
I have more than doubts. I am seeing grave injustices in front of my eyes and you want me to believe otherwise ?
