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Defensive measures
by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 06:13 AM   Permalink | Hide replies

The two major forces defining politics in India have been freedom movement and the cultural modernisation.
The freedom movement efforts led to multiple approaches, often independent of each other, often localised, until INC under MK Gandhi were able to build a nationwide meffort which is lawful, assimiliative and paradoxically defiant.

Meanwhile, at cultural level, the interaction with European intellectual heritage and the English language policy was leading to cultural modernisation and religious emancipation of unprecedented degree. These unregulated forces found a meaningful metaphor in M K Gandhi and even accorded a Mahatma status to him. A lawyer cum 'satyagrahi' became the helmsman for Indian freedom.

Both these major forces are not a threat to China in any manner. Both infact would seek a sympathetic chord.

The Indian measures are purely defensive and to contain expansionist China. The Tibet transgression and beyond have evoked determined Indian responses, which may continue to harden further.







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by Pandu Havaldar 61-62 on Sep 01, 2007 06:29 AM   Permalink
Never forget....

1. China betrayed Nehru
2. China arming Pakistan and Maoist.

Never ever forget China attacked India and humilated her. Never ever forget and forgive.

If tomorrow, conditions are right, China will attack India again

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by desss on Sep 01, 2007 06:50 AM   Permalink
Even after accepting China's crookedness and a policy of double standards for Pakistan and India, It is a fact that Nehru was a fool and betrayed himself more than anything else

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:07 AM   Permalink
While India has a Constitutional congruency with US, its pro-Pak Kashmir policies, its anti-Bangladesh policy, its tech denial to India, its Nixonian Sino-US axis, all these are also sadly the reality we need to contend. As we strengthen security archtitecture with 'natural allies' , need to have a 360 degree clarity is also necessary.

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:09 AM   Permalink
US is not eaxcelt generous. For instance while India is looking for fighter crafts for next 40 years, they are offering ONLY what they have been having for last 40 years! The passing of dated stuff is not confined to IBM alone, while led our ole George to lietrally tee them off!

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:14 AM   Permalink
On the N-deal, which ofcouse is far superior to having no deal, is a good deal but not exactly what we really seek. May be vernacular can express it better.
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sirf aap hain jo is naakam mun ko
paan khilakar kahatay hain, jalpaan hua
aur sookha gala yah maan bhee leta hain!

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by mr on Sep 01, 2007 07:25 AM   Permalink
I here little confused, you telling some advice or anything. You tell all, but what about china's proliferation standards?

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:45 AM   Permalink
I am also bewildered! frankly, we as laymen surely would be confused. We do not know the facts, we do not know what was discussed. All we know is what we read and this is pretty confusing.

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:47 AM   Permalink
I normally like to go by the late Soviet Foreign Minister Gromyko, he had said "don't go by what US says, go by what US does!".

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 08:53 AM   Permalink
As far as N-deal is concerned, it is a real and spectacular breakthrough, if brought to fruitation. The difficulties which lie ahead are in NSSP alone. The contentions BJP/NDA is trying to sqaure up to are regarding NSSP. Let us pray, these will work out ok.

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by mr on Sep 01, 2007 08:22 AM   Permalink
Yes, we know.

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 07:41 AM   Permalink
We are not decision-makers, just ordinary citizens participating here. The complexity is inherent in the issue itself and the equations India had been subjected to. If we ordinary readers can get a glimpse of the immense difficulties our political leaders, diplomats, journalists, and policy makers are facing that would be good enough. May be readership will get grudgin respect for Mr. Karat!

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 06:35 AM   Permalink
Precisely, China has always been on offensive against India. It has led and supported CPM, when CPM became nationalist, they floated Maoists. Pak calls them 'all-weather' ally and China remains so. China's grand design is obtain access to Middle-East, particularly Iran via Pakistan.

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by mr on Sep 01, 2007 06:40 AM   Permalink
So, who are real threats?
Is it china or India?

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by Ramesh Nittoor on Sep 01, 2007 06:41 AM   Permalink
Here, the economic equations need not be antagonistic. Manishankar Aiyer's 'with China' policy, which had failed earlier, may click next time. This option ought to be kept open by India with a firm non-aligned policy. Such nuancing is not easy!

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by mr on Sep 01, 2007 06:43 AM   Permalink
Then where containment gone?
Do you think that India a banana rupublic?

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by mr on Sep 01, 2007 06:48 AM   Permalink
We are a democratic country, we could have told in proper manner you expected in a well written way in a democratic country, which is meaningful to you. But here no one will allow to do that. If I miss one point, then other point becomes meaningless.

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