Left's problem is their own Communist Ideology though they want to agree to the deal. They will agree after giving bit hard time in that way they can say to keep up their Ideology. BJP wanted to do this kind of agreement but Mr Singh already did it. How can American Law bind India, It never did till now. Next thinking of Cost. It will just take few years for India to recoup the cost. USA Chooses India as it know India will never go to war with USA but China can. When I look at history, India made the mistake of not accepting US freindship and US made the mistake of not having proper forsight of China Stance. India and USA could have been Natural partners since the historical times.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:09 PM Permalink
Man it all depends on the future trade and relationship of India with USA. You have to think of India's benefit. USA will like to reduce trade with China for it stance and India can still keep the US economy going. US will never just pull out of agreement at the expense of its trade and economy by that time India will have good financial position and enough relations with other countries because of its own position like the China have now. How can then US law be effective that is what I mean.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:19 PM Permalink
The problem with pakistan is of it commitment with USA after taking the money of US for that purpose. And India will have the power too to say no for the amount of trade and position it will have by then. China rebukes US but tell me what can US do? China has looked for its benefit and never turned to look at how its Big neighbour is. We have scope with US. 7% of the total energy will be not as effecting the progress of India as 70% of energy shortage now.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:12 PM Permalink
When I say trade with US. It means trade will all the western countries will go high not just US.
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by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:16 PM Permalink
the question isnt trade, fine we will buy from china too if they can sell stuff so cheap. tax kyun bharta hai? simply put never trust someone stronger than you for your self defense. dekh aaj ki date mein koi demand nahi hai is deal ki. jab aayega tab tu nuclear fuel china sey khareed ley, sasta padeyga. the americans want to do it because they see money.. if we want to do it to solve a genuine problem we should buy it from elsewhere. If the objective is to open trade relations and take away china's share, then dude,as of date it doesnt matter. we can continue like this for the next 10 years and be happy, invest back in hydroelectric or solar, and solve the problem for today
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:24 PM Permalink
China ask's for Arunachal pradesh. Trade is not what we can buy from China but What we can sell. China will never leave standing with Pakistan as it was a doorway to middle east market. Hydro electricity is the not a enough option and Solar is very costly, might be to generate at the level we need might be very huge.What I mean is if you can say no to USA today then make yourself worth so much that you can say no tommorrow if required but without losing development.Neighbouring countries of India are not so cooperative with India as with China and China will use this power in the future to take away much from India then India will lose on US breaking the 123 agreement.
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by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
okie why this stuff..we need electricity right? why cant we have electricity on our own using hydro when we have such big companies in india? i am not saying stagnate, i am saying we have missed a lot of tech buses before, and this solves only 2 problems, 1 of self defense, the other of electricity now (1) is where the techs come in, (2) is where we can do it on our own without (1)
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:09 PM Permalink
I wish grow up on our own then what is the use of all this confusion. Strong means many things in this world.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:06 PM Permalink
Anyway. I need to go. But I would like to see India a have a very strong position and all the fields and not just be waiting to develop when its own process is much slow. It will get the required things to much extent and then from there it can think of going ahead its own way.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:59 PM Permalink
Yes you are right but also which countries you can trade to have a better financial country in future. West have to depend on India, China,etc for goods and now India is best option. If we had so much money to do the tech's ourselves then what is the use of all this. India cannot spend as much for tech research.It is a poor country. I am not saying just to depend on west but getting in with them will give India a much needed base plus the inflow of wealth. Those NRI's can see the difference in living standard and techs in west and our India and we also have to raise the level of standard of poor people.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
Alok. I am not saying to fight with padosi but unke tevar to dekho. Padosi accha hota to US kya huma freindship ka offer deta. Kya US itna fool to nahi hai. It knows what we should know.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
Trade has mostly one meaning for India and China and both are more of a seller and US and Western countries are mostly buyers. If they want to repay some in nuclear power then why not.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:42 PM Permalink
China is much more happy with Russia and Iran but not with India that is why it always ignore Mr Singh's call for trilateral arrangement between India, china and russia.
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by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:45 PM Permalink
well no economist can be so far fetched as to surround himself with enemies. if your backbone is weak you are in trouble. dekh assume that we just build dams etc and generate stuff ourselves..what is wrong with that? Technology ka koi bharosa nahi hai, aaj solar kal polar... simply put if we dont take this route what do we loose
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:50 PM Permalink
Economist did not surround India with enemies but they developed out of India's weakness. You can ask me too what could have happened if India did not enter free trade agreement in 1990? You can compare if you are economist. If technology cannot be trusted then underdeveloped countries are right in not adapting any. I know aaj Solar kal polar but when. Since last 50 years the question is when. We keep asking when and should we and in that race China took the slice.
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by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 03:04 PM Permalink
ok so if we dont do this then the west wont need us? like i said, if we need this only for weapons then we are really smoked up and should learn to build this on our own. if we get like a billion dollars at rock bottom, or we get the fayda that all the kharcha of the govt machinery on hydro for the next one year, then we are talking... im sure we have pulled off a lot of stuff in the last one year on our own with our own funding...
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by Alok Dube on Aug 31, 2007 02:30 PM Permalink
apney padosi sey jhagda karkey tu next building waaley se dosti kareyga toh kya fayda :) and by the way, stop smoking pot, hydro is always more cost effective than nuclear... no waste to dump... solar is the other area we havent explored
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 03:02 PM Permalink
Go around shopping in US, Europe or Australia. The market is flooded with Chinese goods. There is much dependence on Chinese goods.Trade has to be developed too. This agreement is a big step towards that.
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by kalpen tripathi on Aug 31, 2007 02:40 PM Permalink
Yes they know what China ask from India and how it is going to behave. It is not just advantge for US to have this deal but much more for India. Mr. Singh is an economist and also a patriot. Deal will decide the future of how much west can trust India.I do not say deal under the pressure. Did China think of us when doing deal with US in the past. Are we not neighbour.Still that is okay but when is China claim going to stop on Indian terriotory then equipping the rebels groups and terrorrist if needed. If it does not think of India but just its benefit then should India not be so strong to protect itself and have US too on its side.
